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Lord (not a bag of shit at all) Byron, progenitor of the law of thermodynamics acknowledged that it did not conflict with evolution theory [Spirituality & Religion]

He (presumably) understood that theory very well, right?
So if even [i]he[/i] did not consider evolution to be incompatible, why do modern creationists?
Well. Most people don't know what entropy entails.

The easiest is that it is a measure of how (Gibbs) free energy is converted to or dissipated as heat.

So take a plant. It takes light and converts it to sugars and dissipates the remaining energy as heat. This is a huge increase in entropy as opposed to the same sun hitting a pile of dead leaves.

Living things rock at this.

This free energy to heat conversion way of looking a entropy is better than other definitions of entropy, such as the one associated with "order".

That is problematic.

Entropy goes as the logarithm of the number of microstates in the system. You could say the log of "order". Certainly there is a lot of "order" in a giraffe. But that doesn't violate second law as it's the entropy of a whole system. A lifetime of plants converted to giraffe shit and piss as opposed to a giraffe.

The thing is, thermodynamics speaks of the evolution of life just as well as natural selection if not better.

On the basis of non-equilibrium statistical mechanics we can predict living things evolving in an emergent fashion to increase entropy. A tree converts Gibbs free energy to heat more effectively than algae. How the algae get to a tree is the scope of evolutionary genetics, but that such a jump would have to happen, at least be favored, is just physics.

This whole film of life on the earth, contrary to the creationist, is almost predestined by the second law and is a entropy increasing machine.

It's only a 2nd law violating phenomenon, if one doesn't understand how Gibbs free energy relates to heat through entropy, or that the "order" that scales with entropy is for a whole closed system. And not for an open system.

Reference: probably the best, Jeremy England.
@CopperCicada

Can't imagine why people don't understand that😉 lol
@Pikachu Well that's the thing. If somebody starts an argument on the basis of thermodynamics--- there's a good chance it's not going to have a good outcome.
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@MalteseFalconPunch

Hey, if you refuse to understand the basics then it's impossible to grasp the nuances.
suzie1960 · 61-69, F
Simple. They invent their own, deliberately flawed, versions of scientific theories and show how they're incompatible.
I remember one argument from a religious professor I had was that there has to be energy input into a system for it to function. And since Earth is by itself that energy must come from God. But in my head I'm thinking, "earth isn't a closed system. It gets energy from the sun."
@canusernamebemyusername

Right? It seems that even at the most basic level, the law of thermodynamics is not a contradiction to evolution
pedrohedgerow · 61-69, M
I have no religion,but neither do I believe evolution is our true origin.It has more leaks than your oldest shoes.The answer lies elsewhere.
pedrohedgerow · 61-69, M
Too bad,I have explained why,and your reception I find antagonistic,which I have no interest in engaging with.I have tried to leave the matter with good will,still do.You have your beliefs,and are welcome to them,I do not need your explanation,it is your entitlement,just as it is for everyone.Finished.
@pedrohedgerow

Why is wishing you were willing to discuss the subject antagonistic?

You expressed the notion that i should not be disappointed. I explained why i AM disappointed. I'm sorry if that seemed adversarial to you.

Nevertheless, you've chosen not to engage in a discussion of this subject and so i must assume that the productive portion of this interaction has ended.

Have a pleasant evening🙂
OggggO · 36-40, M
@pedrohedgerow She asked for the reasoning behind your thinking, you refused to give it to her.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
So what is life and how did it come about? Since you didn't answer on the last thread where you lost the debate because of your non answer. Strike Three!!!! Your are out!
@hippyjoe1955


Damn. Strike 3 again.
Am I better or worse for being able to strike out without going through the traditional first two strikes?😆😂
SW-User
It’s normally a waste of time replying to you. You’re normally too egotistical and arrogant to see other people’s views, but evolution is too flawed to be worshipped the way that it is
@SW-User

lol damn, have we even spoken before?

But i'm not interested in what you think of me.
If you think evolution is flawed then please share an example of what you perceive to be a flaw so that i may address it.
PoizonApple · 41-45, F
I like you...

 
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