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You are being watched

The government has a secret system: (Not a secret anymore)

Ita a machine that spies on you every hour of every day
I know because I'm a conspiracy nut and go down rabbit holes for days, sometimes weeks.

They want us to think they designed the machine to detect acts of terror, but it sees and hears everything and I mean everything.

There is no such thing as privacy. You want some form of privacy - Get rid of Internet, cellphones and don't drive modern vehicles. (Drive 2010 and older)
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Muthafukajones · 46-50, M
I cultivate an inner world that I don’t speak about with anyone. It is truly the only privacy I have. It’s very therapeutic to grow that world
In your mind and heart. It is not deceitful to keep things to yourself. That space is between you and your creator. It is sacred and for many in their darkest times it will be your salvation.
Neoerectus · M
One can disconnect some vehicles from the sending unit antenna or sending unit.

I will be modding a new car to replace a connector. New connector removes the cellular data connection.
Neoerectus · M
@ArishMell The ecm for collecting data has a dedicated cellular connection, even if you do not have a subscription.

If you disconnect its antenna. it has virtually zero functionality. .

The car data is gathered and sold to data aggregators who will sell to insurance companies, etc. People online have already spoken of increased insurance rates from driving data obtained through these ecms.

These mechanisms often make use of the mics used for voice commanding. My Toyota has that "feature." Companies have the capability to eavesdrop on conversations in a vehicle.

In my Toyota, you cant remove it because it is integrated with the mic and one of the speakers

When you pay for "subscriptions," you negate their data gathering costs. I refused ALL subscriptions and under my state's privacy law have opted out of gathering and accumulation of data. My state's Att Genl Ofc has an ongoing issue with car companies not complying, however.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@Neoerectus I see. Thank you for explaining that.

What would worry me is if disconnecting the instrument would annull the insurance and any warrantee on the car, as an "non-approved modification"; perhaps larded with "and by an unauthorised person" (not a main or approved dealer).

That may depend on your national or State laws, but it would be a real risk in the UK. The "modification" and lost warrantee would not be illegal, but driving without at least third-party insurance certainly is.

If the insurer or its agent has unexpectedly stopped receiving data from a car still on its books, might it insist on investigating whether electrical fault or owner's act?

It would also worry me that the scheme might become extended to making the car undrivable if such features and subscriptions are not all working as the makers want.

.....

A wry note:

Perhaps you could test for eavesdropping by setting up a conversation with at least two passengers, in loud voices and describing the "features" in ripe language, about trying to switch it off.
Neoerectus · M
@ArishMell So, others have disconnected with a modified connector (I bought one online referenced by an online group). My state law would back me in this as I understand things. I do not trust ANYTHING the current federal regime would or wouldnt do right now in the U.S.

In my research on the law, since this does not directly affect the engine, etc., they would be unlikely to be able to void warranties on operational aspects by current state law.

The fact they oft times remind one of servicing timelines at strategic times strongly supports they are getting the info, regardless of what cancelling "free trial data subscriptions" implied. My state has been wrangling with complaints against the car companies for this tactic.

Given they imply that not having a subscription stops data flow (in what I signed at purchase) is not a strong position for them should it have to go to court.

I have also made use of my state's privacy laws to lock down the 3rd parties collecting data (that I know of) as well (applies if those parties have 25k or more customers in the state).

Even CarFax buys that info and stores it. There are probably many that do so...
It may be futile, but I will keep trying to chase down the intrusions.

It could get messy,perhaps, but I am adamant.
helenS · 36-40, F
I drive a bicycle that's > 35 years old. I'm sure there are no surveillance contraptions built-in

What do you think?
HumanEarth · F
@helenS the classics
helenS · 36-40, F
@HumanEarth I really don't need a better bike... 👍🏼
HumanEarth · F
We have a shed full of old bicycles hanging up. Most have the old banana seat and monkey bars.
When i come home at night i bolt the door real tight! People call me on the phone and im trying to avoid but can the people on TV see me or am i just paranoid?

Woooaah ooo ohhh
HumanEarth · F
I put a drill bit though the camera lens and cut the wires to the microphone. I use a Hardware VPN from the internet im stealling from Salva Kiir Mayardit with TOR Browser that I got from Delcy Rodríguez who I seize power from by broadcasting fake news

In the zany newsroom of The Great Fake News Network on Planet Wackadoodle, anchors in outrageous outfits hilariously declare that coffee beans are actually alien eggs, making anyone who drinks coffee a “space chicken.” They report that Commander Goofball has been temporarily replaced by a cardboard cutout while “saving the galaxy,” and that citizens must now walk sideways on Wednesdays for “galactic fitness.” As outrageous sound effects blast and silly dance routines break out, they conclude with the tagline: “In Wackadoodle News, the truth is whatever we say it is!”
@HumanEarth pssshh i use vpn to proxy then to tor running on tailz engine! Beat that
HumanEarth · F
@TryingtoLava I just took over a fake government. I did beat that.
FrugalNoodle · 46-50, M
I like to put on a show most of the time, hope they're enjoying all the effort i'm putting into it!! 🤪
Nitedoc · 51-55, M
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FreddieUK · 70-79, M
@jshm2 Well said.
MrAverage1965 · 61-69, M
My phone is definitely spying on my, I suspect my smart TV is also part of it.
swirlie · 31-35, F
I do nautical marine research as a side-gig.

Embedded in the GPS units of an ocean yacht (of which there are typically 3 GPS units tracking the same course at all times and worth $1.3 million each), is a 'location chip' which is linked to the National Registry of that yacht, which then transmits the yacht's location via satellite 24/7 whether anyone is aboard the yacht or not.

That electronic transmission is made either once a day or once every minute (or anything in-between), depending on how the yacht's owner has it set up. It cannot be turned off completely if the ship's electrical system is to remain powered.

The only way to disconnect that electronic link from yacht to satellite is to disconnect the yacht's battery(s) from the main DC power buss. Doing so will cause the yacht to become electronically invisible from tracking, which is fine if you're okay with being towed like a wooden raft everywhere you want to go with the lights out and the window shades drawn.

That same 'location chip' is found within the onboard computer system of cars and trucks that were built within the last 25 years. That information is useless in most cases to the owner of the car if they don't have a nav system tied to their luxury upgrades, but that GPS location information is still there and is fully operational at all times, but is useful only to the police in this case.

If you went missing along with your car and then someone called the police to report you and the car missing, the police would then put your name as a 'search' into their database.

If you owned the car that you went missing in, the police are able to immediately locate your vehicle's position as long as battery power is available on your missing car. Your name is connected to the vehicle as being the vehicle's registered owner. Therefore, if they locate your car, they will locate you as well, assuming you haven't walked away from it and hitch-hiked to California.

If you were involved in a bank robbery but then fled the scene with the loot and someone got the license plate number of your car as you sped away, the police merely put your license plate number into their database.

This done by the Officer who attended the bank robbery in his patrol car, at which point the location of that getaway vehicle is sent electronically from the getaway car to the cop's GPS screen in his patrol car and then directs him via GPS, to where your getaway car is located, even if your car is in motion or is inside a locked storage container or building.

This info is only available to the cop provided that battery power is powering the electrical system of the car that he is chasing after.

If you made a successful getaway from the bank to a secret airstrip where a jet was awaiting your imminent arrival with it's engines running... and then you quickly disconnected the battery of your getaway car like James Bond always did as soon as you got to the landing strip, the cop would not be able to find your car. You would disappear off his GPS radar the moment the car battery was disconnected.

The only way to turn off the computer system in your car along with it's imbedded satellite location software, is to disconnect the car's battery, assuming you are driving a gasoline/diesel powered vehicle.

If you are driving an EV, you cannot disconnect the battery from the car's electrical system, in which case you will be found by the police.

If you need to move your gas-powered car to a secret location after giving the cops the slip with your impressive driving skills, call a tow truck to move your car to another secret location, but DO NOT re-connect the battery of your getaway car even to drive the car up onto a flatbed tow truck.

Instead, have your car winched onto the truck and then be gone without a trace as you enjoy life in some faraway place with a strange-sounding name.

The moment that someone re-connects your car battery, it's location will immediately be transmitted via satellite to whomever is looking for that vehicle.
They can spy on me. My life is boring.
@HumanEarth Don't worry. Nobody is spying on you.
Degbeme · 70-79, M
HumanEarth · F
Wrong, everyone and everything is spying on everyone. From Ring door bells, to your internet browsing habitats to license plate readers to the person on the street with a cellphone camera.

There is no freedom anymore if you really think about it
if they were watching me, it would be so boring they would be asleep most of the time.
HumanEarth · F
@jackrabbit10 Just wait till one day you want to exercise your 4th amendment right and patriot act says you don't have that protection anymore.

See the patriot act attacks our constitutional rights. It can infringe on the First Amendment by allowing surveillance that might scare people from speaking their minds or gathering for protests. Plus, it undermines the Fourth Amendment by letting the government access our personal information without a warrant, which feels like an invasion of privacy. There’s also the problem with the Fifth Amendment, as it allows for the detention of non-citizens without due process. And when it comes to the Sixth Amendment, it can limit defendants' rights in terrorism cases, making it harder for them to confront witnesses or see evidence against them. It’s a big debate about how we balance national security with our civil liberties.

But many are okay with that and I'm not okay with that
@HumanEarth thanks for the info. I am 84 now. one foot on a banana peel the other in the grave. I have never protested. never lived in a city or town over 2000 people. live 14 miles to the nearest store. only news I get is on T.V. born here in the u.s.a so was my parents. their parents so on.
HumanEarth · F
I live in area where my nearest neighbor is over a mile away, almost 60 and still eat steak and eggs
pride49 · 31-35, M
If my number is up, will you find me?
HumanEarth · F
Nope, don't care. If you want me to find you, you would tell me. I believe in old ways of life and yet I'm on a computer.... I'm such a hypocrite 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Doesn't surprise me.

how does the saying go. "uncle Sam is watching you"
BluntSm0ker · 100+, M
Unfortunately this is true.
Zaphod42 · 51-55, M
Yes, and it’s been active for more than 2 decades now And even with an open wiki page on it, still very few know 🤷‍♂
ididntknow · 56-60, M
Nothing surprises me anymore
FreddieUK · 70-79, M
Everyone who is here is ignoring your advice, which shows how far they agree with you, a person who puts advice on the internet telling people not to use the internet. 🤦‍♂
HumanEarth · F
See your kinda like Arnold and I think... what a guy! He’s made a career out of saying, 'Hasta la vista, baby,' but if he had a nickel for every time he said, 'I'll be back,' he'd be waiting for the next action scene to catch up!. So when are you going to open your eyes
FreddieUK · 70-79, M
@HumanEarth
open your eyes

Very 60s indeed.
if your not doing something illegal why care .
@jackrabbit10 youre missing the point ima move on
@TryingtoLava yell ok. I am ok with what everyone is saying.
@jackrabbit10 im not mad dont worry
do you think I am being watched when I go pee outside.
HumanEarth · F
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ninalanyon · 61-69, T
Number plate recognition cameras will still track your car regardless of its age or how disconnected it might be.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@ninalanyon Depending on the system and country, they will also determine if the plates are legitimate, stolen or false, by matching the number to the vehicle.

It can help trace stolen cars, too.

However, that only shows where your car is, not why you are there, with whom, meetng whom, what you are carrying, and so on.

Similarly with the location-signal from a portable telephone. It does not reveal what its owner is doing. It simply says to its own network, "I am phone xyz, and I am here", so it can actually work. Without it, it is merely a simple camera with a few extras like alarm-clock and calculator.

Much of the time when I am out my phone is still at home and switched off. When I do take it with me, it is switched off for most of the time.


In any case, it's not the government or security agencies I fear trying to trace me, at least not in the UK, but the huge American commercial entities that have more or less monopolised the Internet.
HumanEarth · F
They do it so well

 
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