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DunningKruger · 61-69, M
Judaism is a religion. If one follows the practices of that religion, one is a Jew. It has been around for so long and has such a remarkable history of resilience in the face of adversity that Jews have become also an ethnic group.
Israel is identified with the Jewish people because, of course, it was founded primary by European Jews who survived the Holocaust and migrated out of Europe after World War II. Zionism — the principle that the Jews have a homeland in the Middle East and should return there — goes back to the 19th century, and certainly laid some of the groundwork for the formation of Israel.
Not everyone who lives in Israel are Jewish. There are many Palestinians who live there, for example, as this was primarily their land before the formation of Israel, although it was occupied by the Ottoman Empire and, after its collapse, the British.
Enmity toward the Jews probably traces back to the days of the Roman Empire, as factions in Judea strongly opposed the Roman occupation of the region, and the Romans put forth quite a bit of propaganda about the Judeans at that time. If you look at antisemitic works since then, much of it can be traced, to some degree, back to this Roman anti-Judean propaganda. Likely this was in part because the Jewish people have mostly resisted acculturation through their history, and so have remained a people apart from most of the people they lived among. The same is somewhat true of the Romany people ("Gypsies"), who suffered from similar prejudice through the Middle Ages to the modern age.
Just my two cents on the subject, for what it's worth.
Israel is identified with the Jewish people because, of course, it was founded primary by European Jews who survived the Holocaust and migrated out of Europe after World War II. Zionism — the principle that the Jews have a homeland in the Middle East and should return there — goes back to the 19th century, and certainly laid some of the groundwork for the formation of Israel.
Not everyone who lives in Israel are Jewish. There are many Palestinians who live there, for example, as this was primarily their land before the formation of Israel, although it was occupied by the Ottoman Empire and, after its collapse, the British.
Enmity toward the Jews probably traces back to the days of the Roman Empire, as factions in Judea strongly opposed the Roman occupation of the region, and the Romans put forth quite a bit of propaganda about the Judeans at that time. If you look at antisemitic works since then, much of it can be traced, to some degree, back to this Roman anti-Judean propaganda. Likely this was in part because the Jewish people have mostly resisted acculturation through their history, and so have remained a people apart from most of the people they lived among. The same is somewhat true of the Romany people ("Gypsies"), who suffered from similar prejudice through the Middle Ages to the modern age.
Just my two cents on the subject, for what it's worth.
basilfawlty89 · 36-40, M
@DunningKruger this was a good response.
Indeed, even medieval Religious Antisemitism has roots from the Roman Empire.
Constrat this with the Ancient Greeks who were in most cases quite tolerant (although still somewhat dismissive of anyone they saw as barbarians).
Indeed, even medieval Religious Antisemitism has roots from the Roman Empire.
Constrat this with the Ancient Greeks who were in most cases quite tolerant (although still somewhat dismissive of anyone they saw as barbarians).
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@basilfawlty89 the ancient Greeks destroyed both temples!
basilfawlty89 · 36-40, M
@samueltyler2 no, the Romans destroyed the temples.
Jewish people were seem the same as other peoole who didn't accept the Greek Pantheon.
I'm not saying the Greeks were ideal, just saying they were more tolerant towards the Jewish people.
See Aristotle's opinion on Jewish people for example.
Jewish people were seem the same as other peoole who didn't accept the Greek Pantheon.
I'm not saying the Greeks were ideal, just saying they were more tolerant towards the Jewish people.
See Aristotle's opinion on Jewish people for example.
DunningKruger · 61-69, M
@samueltyler2 The Greeks desecrated the first temple, but it was the Babylonians who destroyed it. And the Romans destroyed the second temple.
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@basilfawlty89 I am pretty sure the temple destroyed at the time of the Maccabees was destroyed by the Greeks!
DunningKruger · 61-69, M
@samueltyler2 This is not correct.
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@DunningKruger called neo-Babylonians, aka? When one desecrates a temple, to me that is destruction, but we will need to compromise.
basilfawlty89 · 36-40, M
@samueltyler2 buddy, the Romans were the cause of the destruction of the Temple and subsequent Jewish diaspora.
That's how Ashkenazim, Sephardim and Mizrachim came to be.
That's how Ashkenazim, Sephardim and Mizrachim came to be.
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@basilfawlty89 we aren't arguing about that, please don't call me buddy!
DunningKruger · 61-69, M
@samueltyler2 Well, the neo-Babylonians weren't Greek, so there's that. But I'm sure we can agree that it was the Romans who destroyed the second temple.
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@DunningKruger as in they essentially bombed the structure yes.





