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greensnacks · 31-35, F
I think so. I believe it's more of a cultural, geographical and societal influence that creates these "stereotypes".
Its true for ex. That Germans are punctual and straight to the point. Many colder climate nations too. It's debated that the coldness and harsh conditions (in place where you can die out of cold if you're left waiting or beat around the bush) contributed to this.
In contrast, warmer cultures, due to probably the abundance of warmth, food and access to nice weather allowed them to be more cheerful, laid back. For ex. Islanders are very not punctual. Especially if it's a small island. Like even the government institutions don't rush anywhere.
People in Russia don't smile to strangers. Excess laughing is considered foolish. And they're very "depressing" and always talk about heavy topics, like the heavy weather. At least in the northern cities. But it's very cultural to complain here as well. It's bonding. Talking about our hardships helps us stay resilient. Most Slavic people do that. We do it too. We complain a lot. We also always reject the first time when someone offers us something. Is seen as rude to take immediately. Will that make you more humble and down to earth? Yes.
Its true for ex. That Germans are punctual and straight to the point. Many colder climate nations too. It's debated that the coldness and harsh conditions (in place where you can die out of cold if you're left waiting or beat around the bush) contributed to this.
In contrast, warmer cultures, due to probably the abundance of warmth, food and access to nice weather allowed them to be more cheerful, laid back. For ex. Islanders are very not punctual. Especially if it's a small island. Like even the government institutions don't rush anywhere.
People in Russia don't smile to strangers. Excess laughing is considered foolish. And they're very "depressing" and always talk about heavy topics, like the heavy weather. At least in the northern cities. But it's very cultural to complain here as well. It's bonding. Talking about our hardships helps us stay resilient. Most Slavic people do that. We do it too. We complain a lot. We also always reject the first time when someone offers us something. Is seen as rude to take immediately. Will that make you more humble and down to earth? Yes.
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JimboSaturn · 51-55, M
@greensnacks I agree with your theory. I find the cold climate forged a certain culture. But some things like Irish temper I think is just a prejudice. Since there was conflict in Ireland, people assumed it was solely because of their nature, not religious or political reasons.
greensnacks · 31-35, F
@JimboSaturn yes yes, i don't disagree. There are many many many factors that include cultural habits etc but each human is individual with their own specifics and personalities. Summing them up oversimplifies a cultular experience and helps feed the stereotypes.
Moreover, I did some more research on this yesterday after the comments I made and I found out "while climate has a role in shaping some broad cultural tendencies, it interacts with a complex web of historical, economic, and societal influences." And what I was describing in the initial comment, were not personality traits, but cultural traits and cultural tendencies.
Moreover, I did some more research on this yesterday after the comments I made and I found out "while climate has a role in shaping some broad cultural tendencies, it interacts with a complex web of historical, economic, and societal influences." And what I was describing in the initial comment, were not personality traits, but cultural traits and cultural tendencies.
JimboSaturn · 51-55, M
@greensnacks I understood that your reply was not meant to by 100% explanatory.
Neoerectus · M
I think it is less about shared DNA and more about shared cultural history... Although there has been research that suggests trauma response can be passed along....
AdaXI · 41-45, T
It's an interesting question as I think personality traits can be passed on genetically at times and also heavily influenced by whatever culture someone is from but I certainly do not believe an entire race of people could just universally all have a fiery temper or anything that one dimensional.
I mean we're not talking about a family or a small isolated village we're talking about millions of people spread out over vast areas.
Like as an example the French being more romantic. This might be true in some senses but really most of us are just thinking of Paris and considering the range of peoples and cultures that actually live there, North and South of France are two completely different worlds... I'd be really hard pressed to believe that's a totally universal thing but I can also see where the idea came from.
So yeah to me there's way too many genetic variables and cultural differences for them to ever be true, so they're just cultural myths I guess based on really small observations at the very very best.
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I mean we're not talking about a family or a small isolated village we're talking about millions of people spread out over vast areas.
Like as an example the French being more romantic. This might be true in some senses but really most of us are just thinking of Paris and considering the range of peoples and cultures that actually live there, North and South of France are two completely different worlds... I'd be really hard pressed to believe that's a totally universal thing but I can also see where the idea came from.
So yeah to me there's way too many genetic variables and cultural differences for them to ever be true, so they're just cultural myths I guess based on really small observations at the very very best.
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bijouxbroussard · F
@AdaXI I agree.
DrWatson · 70-79, M
I think there is some truth to this, but only to the extent that personality is influenced by culture.
So, for example, people from Latin America, Italy, and Greece tend to be more "huggy" and effusive than people from Germany, Norway, or the UK.
I also think that some of those "ethnic traits" occur in lots of different cultures, but each culture claims it to itself. Thus your example of "Latin temper" and "Irish temper."
My mother, who was born in Italy, used to joke about "Italian time." (If something was supposed to happen in 20 minutes, maybe it would happen after an hour.) But I have since learned that this "trait" gets pinned to lots of other cultures as well. I suspect that it is rooted in agrarian cultures where people don't need clocks.
I would be surprised if any of this were genetic. Although, in recent years we are discovering that genetics is a lot more weird and complicated than people thought, so who knows!
So, for example, people from Latin America, Italy, and Greece tend to be more "huggy" and effusive than people from Germany, Norway, or the UK.
I also think that some of those "ethnic traits" occur in lots of different cultures, but each culture claims it to itself. Thus your example of "Latin temper" and "Irish temper."
My mother, who was born in Italy, used to joke about "Italian time." (If something was supposed to happen in 20 minutes, maybe it would happen after an hour.) But I have since learned that this "trait" gets pinned to lots of other cultures as well. I suspect that it is rooted in agrarian cultures where people don't need clocks.
I would be surprised if any of this were genetic. Although, in recent years we are discovering that genetics is a lot more weird and complicated than people thought, so who knows!
bijouxbroussard · F
@DrWatson Yes, especially about the time issue. My grandmother used to joke about people arriving on "CFT" (colored folks’ time) and as I grew up I encountered comparable terms by Asian and Hispanic friends. Apparently the only people who show up on time are WASPS. 😅
My parents didn’t get that memo; punctuality was stressed when we were growing up. Even now, I tend to arrive at appointments early.
My parents didn’t get that memo; punctuality was stressed when we were growing up. Even now, I tend to arrive at appointments early.
DrWatson · 70-79, M
@bijouxbroussard
I was talking about this one day with a neighbor who is originally from the Bahamas. She had to adjust to people's expectations about this when she moved here. It occurred to us that the predominant ethnic group around here is German -- and Germany is a country that actually prides itself on making clocks! 😂
I was talking about this one day with a neighbor who is originally from the Bahamas. She had to adjust to people's expectations about this when she moved here. It occurred to us that the predominant ethnic group around here is German -- and Germany is a country that actually prides itself on making clocks! 😂
ChipmunkErnie · 70-79, M
I some ways, yes, it seems so. But I'd think not because of the ethnicity/genetics, but because of what is deemed acceptable in the culture involved.
bijouxbroussard · F
@ChipmunkErnie That does make sense.
OverTheHill · 56-60, M
There are distinctives to all our cultural heritages. I'd even say regional distinctives. For example a New Yorker is regarded as a certain way from somewhere in other parts of the country.
Have a happy Thanksgiving.
Have a happy Thanksgiving.
bijouxbroussard · F
@OverTheHill That’s true. A Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours, as well. 😊
Mamapolo2016 · F
I am fascinated by videos of people dining on dishes their cultures don’t have. Even Brits eating American food. Alike in so many ways but quite different in others. I have come to see it as a genuine way for us to set aside all the garbage we’ve heard about other lands and meet on a basic level.
And when we experience THEIR food, we love it. Food is a bridge.
And a reminder. While many of us think “Hmm. What do I want to eat tonight?” there are still many on our planet who think “Will I eat tonight, or tomorrow?”
I think it’s primarily cultural, not genetic.
Happy Thanksgiving!
And when we experience THEIR food, we love it. Food is a bridge.
And a reminder. While many of us think “Hmm. What do I want to eat tonight?” there are still many on our planet who think “Will I eat tonight, or tomorrow?”
I think it’s primarily cultural, not genetic.
Happy Thanksgiving!
bijouxbroussard · F
@Mamapolo2016 Very, very true. Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours, my friend. 🤗
Mmiker · 46-50, M
I don’t believe that there are based on ethnicities.
bijouxbroussard · F
@Mmiker I don’t believe so, either. But I was curious to hear the opinions of others. 🙂
Mmiker · 46-50, M
@bijouxbroussard that’s a great question. Appreciate the post
Umile · 41-45, F
Just traditions and habits maybe.
Not much to do with ethnicity I think.
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Not much to do with ethnicity I think.
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DrWatson · 70-79, M
By coincidence, here is something a friend of mine sent me in a chat the other day:
Yes, I'm half Italian and
we've traced my grandparents
roots to northern Italy. I've always
identified more with my maternal
Italian side, in looks, general affinity.
My brother always identified more
with our paternal, German side in
looks, personality. A few years ago,
we did Ancestry, and it turns out
he has way more German DNA
and I have way more Italian DNA!
Weird, isn't it?
Yes, I'm half Italian and
we've traced my grandparents
roots to northern Italy. I've always
identified more with my maternal
Italian side, in looks, general affinity.
My brother always identified more
with our paternal, German side in
looks, personality. A few years ago,
we did Ancestry, and it turns out
he has way more German DNA
and I have way more Italian DNA!
Weird, isn't it?
@bijouxbroussard Since when is this an argument ? I don´t agree with your ideas. You can think whatever you want but I don´t have to play along.
bijouxbroussard · F
@Underconstruction I guess when you began by "dear-ing" me but I tried to keep it civil. You’re right, you don’t have to do a thing. No argument there.
But understand that you’re stating an opinion that not everyone shares.
But understand that you’re stating an opinion that not everyone shares.
@bijouxbroussard Likewise
MellyMel22 · F
I personally don’t think so.
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
I don't know where they come from, but I think they are complete BS.
I'm descended from Irish, English, and German ancestors. So I'm supposed to be hot tempered and stubborn, right?
Okay so I kinda am both, but I'm not blaming my grandparents for it!! 😉
I'm descended from Irish, English, and German ancestors. So I'm supposed to be hot tempered and stubborn, right?
Okay so I kinda am both, but I'm not blaming my grandparents for it!! 😉
AngelUnforgiven · 46-50, F
No personally i dont think so. I actually find it insulting when i hear things like that. Because it groups everyone together and makes them guilty by association of skin when everyone is not the same. Good or bad.
bijouxbroussard · F
@AngelUnforgiven An excellent point, and I’ve definitely encountered that expectation. I wondered because I’ve heard so many describe their own groups with such generalizations.
HannahSky · F
Seems cultural based on where you're from. Italians are notorious for their mannerism and language. Go to North Beach.
bijouxbroussard · F
@HannahSky Lol, I used to live near North Beach. And I grew up in Westlake, the other SF/Daly City Italian enclave.
HannahSky · F
@bijouxbroussard Westlake Joe's lol
bijouxbroussard · F
@HannahSky Yep ! 😄
caPnAhab · 26-30, M
Somewhat, I suppose. A person's environment plays a part shaping how they are. But I don't think they would be intrinsic traits and any one could be different
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
Well with my ancestry on both sides, my gypsy traits do have Bohemian ways! 🙃
Yes ..there are stereotypes for a reason
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bijouxbroussard · F
@pripyatamusementpark I’ve spoken here of my friend Larry, one of the few people who somehow can make slightly racial jokes without causing offense (or perhaps he’s just good at "reading the room"). He went with some of us to a horror movie once (not my idea) and casually commented, "should we move closer in case someone needs to yell at the screen ?" 🤭
DownTheStreet · 56-60, M
I think its at least 51% cultural norms shaping human behaviors
No, I do not.
I dislike those generalizations.
I dislike those generalizations.
bijouxbroussard · F
@Underconstruction I’m not a fan, either.
tindrummer · M
I'm mostly Irish and yeah dadgummitt!!!
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CountScrofula · 41-45, M
Well, cultures specifically. Sure.
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
Only through social training..😷
InOtterWords · F
I think so....i liken Punjabis to Italians in that they talk load and are expressive with hand gestures
It is fineas long as you don't go down the negative traits like saying that Scots are tight etx
It is fineas long as you don't go down the negative traits like saying that Scots are tight etx
Jexie · 26-30, F
Stereotypes are just that, stereotypes. They may be true for some people but not everyone and it would be erroneous to assume so. I do think that cultural and societal conditioning and the way you grew up seeing the people around you behave can shape your behavior as well to some extent. But people also have individual differences which is why you can't generalize.
bijouxbroussard · F
@Jexie I agree with you. 👍🏽
ThreeLittleBirds · F
For sure
We’re all products of our environment in some shape or form 🤩
We’re all products of our environment in some shape or form 🤩