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There are two biological forms. One male and one female. To play with the language to say something different or make the two able to change places is pure silliness bordering on evil. As one man who decided he wanted to be a woman so much that he had surgery said shortly before he committed suicide that no matter how much he wanted to be a woman his sexual response would always be male.
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samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@hippyjoe1955 forcing anyone to do something they want or don't want may be had, but evil?
Spoiledbrat · F
@hippyjoe1955 Not every child grows out of it as you can see.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@Spoiledbrat Not according to a scientific study out of Germany. virtually all who get confused grow out of that confusion in 5 years or less.
BohemianBabe · M
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BohemianBabe · M
@Kenworth4954 I think you have it confused with yo mama!
Justafantasy · M
Kenworth4954 · 56-60, M
@Stephie @Justafantasy this is great news 😀
Spoiledbrat · F
That's sex not gender. @Justafantasy
Shadyglow · F
@Justafantasy not always
JestAJester · 31-35, M
Technically speaking gender and sex have different definitions but we've always used gender and sex as interchangeable terms. That being said, sex is determined by biology, by your chromosomes. Male, female, and in very rare cases a combination of the two. Gender is a nonsensical word that has no real bearing in the real world. It is referred as a social construct basically about how people feel about themselves. We use to call that a personality. So when someone says they identify as a female theyre obviously not female but their brain chemistry and/or personality is more aligned with is what is typically considered feminine and thats perfectly ok but you dont get to choose whether youre male or female.
Picklebobble2 · 56-60, M
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@Convivial Thank you for being honest. I have never met one have you? I have heard of them but never met one.
Convivial · 26-30, F
@hippyjoe1955 nope... But i know they exist
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@Convivial Which proves?????? The two hermaphrodites in the world today should set the policy for the other 8 billion humans on the planet? Exceptions make for terrible policy.
TinyViolins · 31-35, M
Not really
Gender, in its simplest terms, is a study of how biological sex fits into a societal or cultural atmosphere. Societies and cultures have a lot of variety between them. Biology, at least according to our chromosomes, is a lot less diverse. Some cultures recognize more than 2 genders, like the Hijra of South Asia or two-spirit individuals in certain Native American communities.
Gender, in its simplest terms, is a study of how biological sex fits into a societal or cultural atmosphere. Societies and cultures have a lot of variety between them. Biology, at least according to our chromosomes, is a lot less diverse. Some cultures recognize more than 2 genders, like the Hijra of South Asia or two-spirit individuals in certain Native American communities.
TinyViolins · 31-35, M
@LLcoolK It's not undisputed though. Obviously given the rise in people coming out as trans. Thailand is full of transexuals. India has had Hijra for hundreds of years. Iran and Pakistan, despite being extremely Islamic, are socially accepting of trans people.
Anthropologists have studied cultures around the world and found societies with more than 2 genders on every inhabited continent. The fact that there is a rise in people identifying as transgender all around the world despite their biological sex is evidence that there is something to this phenomena beyond a radical fringe.
All I know for certain is that people are complicated. No two people are going to have the exact same set of beliefs as each other. Everybody has their own unique personalities and values and behaviors and tastes. To limit all of human mannerisms and psychology into just two categories, man or woman, doesn't seem like a useful convention. It leaves no room whatsoever for nuance. There's usually all kinds of shades of gray
Anthropologists have studied cultures around the world and found societies with more than 2 genders on every inhabited continent. The fact that there is a rise in people identifying as transgender all around the world despite their biological sex is evidence that there is something to this phenomena beyond a radical fringe.
All I know for certain is that people are complicated. No two people are going to have the exact same set of beliefs as each other. Everybody has their own unique personalities and values and behaviors and tastes. To limit all of human mannerisms and psychology into just two categories, man or woman, doesn't seem like a useful convention. It leaves no room whatsoever for nuance. There's usually all kinds of shades of gray
Panna · 22-25, F
@TinyViolins What it is a sign of is the growing psychological crisis in humanity
TinyViolins · 31-35, M
@Panna What exactly makes it a crisis? I've known and worked with at least a dozen trans people in my years and their behavior is normal. In all the interactions I've had, I can't identify anything to indicate that trans people are a menace to or otherwise impediment on society.
If anything, the loathing and dismissiveness that I see get directed towards them by "normal" people does more to ruin my faith in humanity
If anything, the loathing and dismissiveness that I see get directed towards them by "normal" people does more to ruin my faith in humanity
ElwoodBlues · M
@LLcoolK claims
Aristotle (fourth century BCE) had a different name for the three genders (Poetics 21): masculine, feminine, and “in between” (μεταξύ).
The Talmud, a huge and authoritative compendium of Jewish legal traditions, contains in fact no less than eight gender designations including:
1. Zachar, male.
2. Nekevah, female.
3. Androgynos, having both male and female characteristics.
4. Tumtum, lacking sexual characteristics.
5. Aylonit hamah, identified female at birth but later naturally developing male characteristics.
6. Aylonit adam, identified female at birth but later developing male characteristics through human intervention.
7. Saris hamah, identified male at birth but later naturally developing female characteristics.
8. Saris adam, identified male at birth and later developing female characteristics through human intervention.
Source: https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/the-eight-genders-in-the-talmud/
You can find other sources listing six or eight genders from Talmudic studies. Apparently six of them are mentioned "hundreds" of times; perhaps the other two don't get so many mentions?
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... points to the relatively undisputed recognition of only two genders.
DUUUDE!!!Aristotle (fourth century BCE) had a different name for the three genders (Poetics 21): masculine, feminine, and “in between” (μεταξύ).
Yet to some degree, Aristotle did view the intersexual as a type of physical twin (Fausto-Sterling 33). Aristotle did not think that genitalia defined one’s gender. Instead, he thought that “the heat of the heart determined one’s maleness or femaleness” (Fausto-Sterling 33). Aristotle, with his emphasis on matter, proposed that intersexuality occurred when a mother had more than enough material in her womb to create one child, but not enough to create two; the extra matter became the extra genitalia of the intersexual (Fausto-Sterling 33). Yet per Aristotle’s thinking, the soul of an intersexual individual remained neither male nor female.
The Talmud, a huge and authoritative compendium of Jewish legal traditions, contains in fact no less than eight gender designations including:
1. Zachar, male.
2. Nekevah, female.
3. Androgynos, having both male and female characteristics.
4. Tumtum, lacking sexual characteristics.
5. Aylonit hamah, identified female at birth but later naturally developing male characteristics.
6. Aylonit adam, identified female at birth but later developing male characteristics through human intervention.
7. Saris hamah, identified male at birth but later naturally developing female characteristics.
8. Saris adam, identified male at birth and later developing female characteristics through human intervention.
Source: https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/the-eight-genders-in-the-talmud/
You can find other sources listing six or eight genders from Talmudic studies. Apparently six of them are mentioned "hundreds" of times; perhaps the other two don't get so many mentions?
@TinyViolins
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@IamBack it’s like autism. There’s a spectrum. 😂
CrazyMusicLover · 31-35
It all has to do with language to me but even gender in languages got primarily based on our perception of biology when related to people and animals.
But I'm really curious who decided that a table is supposed to be male and a fridge female.
Oh, the mystery...🤔
But I'm really curious who decided that a table is supposed to be male and a fridge female.
Oh, the mystery...🤔
ElwoodBlues · M
Ultimately, "psychology" is a biological thing as well. So the distinction doesn't really exist.
As far as chromosomes are concerned, we have observed genotypes involving XXX, XXY, XYY and X0 (Turner syndrome) sex chromosomes. And we've observed human phenotypes with a range from no functioning sex organs to varying amounts of male & female sex organs on the same individual (these are often called intersex). Genetic mosaicism is where the X and Y chromosomes are expressed differently (from the most common expression) on different parts of the body (these phenotypes are also often described as intersex and sometimes hermaphrodite). Then there's androgen insensitivity syndrome. These are all observable biological phenomena that either God or Nature brings into the human family.
As far as chromosomes are concerned, we have observed genotypes involving XXX, XXY, XYY and X0 (Turner syndrome) sex chromosomes. And we've observed human phenotypes with a range from no functioning sex organs to varying amounts of male & female sex organs on the same individual (these are often called intersex). Genetic mosaicism is where the X and Y chromosomes are expressed differently (from the most common expression) on different parts of the body (these phenotypes are also often described as intersex and sometimes hermaphrodite). Then there's androgen insensitivity syndrome. These are all observable biological phenomena that either God or Nature brings into the human family.
DunningKruger · 61-69, M
MasterofNone · 26-30, M
I have not read about this stuff at all but based on what I have heard from different people, my current conclusion is that feminism has worked a lot to equalize gender roles and therefore, gender identity to an extent and all the current talk about the right to have acknowledged your psychological gender identity is going back to the idea of archaic gender roles which to me sounds stupid. Hence, agreed.
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
Torsten · 36-40, M
sex and gender is basically the same thing as far as i am concerned.
The fools who try and claim gender is a certain thing to justify anyone being able to be whatever they desire to be is just nonsensical.
But I will play along with it here.
Sex is real and gender is fantasy (by their own logic).
I dont acknowledge fantasy as reality
The fools who try and claim gender is a certain thing to justify anyone being able to be whatever they desire to be is just nonsensical.
But I will play along with it here.
Sex is real and gender is fantasy (by their own logic).
I dont acknowledge fantasy as reality
TheRascallyOne · 31-35, M
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Kenworth4954 · 56-60, M
Most definitely! Don't let the angry little freaks puke their false sense of reality into the mainstream. They'll polute the world with their insanity.
MrAverage1965 · 61-69, M
That's an interesting question. I guess that might depend on the true meaning of the word.
Perhaps biology determines our sex, psychology out gender.
Perhaps biology determines our sex, psychology out gender.
ABCDEF7 · M
Just concerned about those who really got psychologically confused, or acting like different one.
Elessar · 26-30, M
Gender is a social construct, sex is a biological one, per the dictionary.
HumanEarth · F
I have no idea what to say.
I have friends and family on both sides of this.
I have friends and family on both sides of this.
LLcoolK · 51-55, M
Who would have ever thought we would have to state such an obvious truth?
Shadyglow · F
not exclusively, and always in some ways psychological
Sandcastler · 22-25, M
Been listening to Orbán, have we?
Spoiledbrat · F
That's sex.
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
Yes
Iwillwait · M
Yes
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