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DrWatson · 70-79, M
We sent our daughter to a Catholic school. One of the biggest benefits was simply that everyone at the school came from families where the parents valued education enough to pay money for it. So the tone, the culture, was a positive one. This is not to deny that there are plenty of families of public school kids where education is also valued, but at her school, there wasn't the apathy or hostility toward learning, or towards kids who studied hard and took teachers seriously, that good students often have to contend with at some public schools.
Jstbanannas1991 · 31-35, F
@DrWatson that is a very big benefit
OliRos · 22-25, F
Private education (public school education, in Britain) can offer the best facilities, the best teaching staff, the widest range of subjects, the best opportunities for networking, the highest chance of getting into an elite university... and the best chance to meet the sort of arrogant, entitled shits who will be ruining (no, not running) your country for the next fifty years.
The public education system offers none of that.
The public education system offers none of that.
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LamontCranston · M
@ArtieKat My comment was about intellectual rigor. But anecdotally, we had Jewish kids at the Jesuit high school I attended for that very reason.
ArtieKat · M
@LamontCranston Let me put it this way, having known Olivia for longer than she's been on SW I wouldn't bet on your chances of outsmarting her.
OliRos · 22-25, F
@LamontCranston Just what is it about my initial statement that you think I lack the experience and judgement to assert?
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
Pros: subjective to those who pay for private education.
Cons: hollows out the education system for those who cannot afford it: perpetuating structural inequalities; an unjustified sense of entitlement; and a general lack of empathy and community engagement.
Cons: hollows out the education system for those who cannot afford it: perpetuating structural inequalities; an unjustified sense of entitlement; and a general lack of empathy and community engagement.
ArtieKat · M
@SunshineGirl I'm not sure that I agree with you. In principle it would be great to have equality of opportunity but I can only judge from my own experiences. From the age of 4 and a half to about 6 and half I attended the local CofE-controlled primary school - in those days one was obliged to go to the nearest school - which had 48 kids in each class. I needed far more attention than that as I was virtually illiterate. When my parents decided to take me away and send me to a small prep school a few miles away, the teacher told my parents that it wasn't a private school I required but a "Special School". I thrived in classes of 18 pupils, along with many others like me. I would have loved to have gone back, aged 23, to have found that teacher: at the age 10+ I passed my 11+ Exam; at 15+ I passed 7 GCEs and at 18/19 I added 3 A levels. At 20 I was accepted for a BSc Sociology, which I completed just before my 23rd birthday. I would have been on the scrap heap without the education I had.
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
@ArtieKat 48 in a class, that's so difficult to imagine now. My state primary had 15 pupils . . in the entire school! I was sent to a boarding school for the daughters of service personnel at the age of 7. It was a state school, but modelled on a private institution and would fill up surplus places with fee paying day girls. I know in hindsight that I was very privileged in the education I received . . although I would happily have given it up in return for not beung sent away.
ArtieKat · M
@SunshineGirl At Grammar School we had about 35 to a class but by that time a lot of education was divided into streamed sets.
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
Assuming "Private" equates with expensive and therefor "elite" (which is not a dirty word in my book) Better resources, small class sizes, extension courses and a broarder subject range are all positives as is the ability of the school to deal with disruptive students and remove them entirely for the better learning outcomes of the class..
Downside. Some elitism among students who have prominent parents.. It can be tough trying to match warbrobe for your teenager when you just dont have the income..😷
Downside. Some elitism among students who have prominent parents.. It can be tough trying to match warbrobe for your teenager when you just dont have the income..😷
ArtieKat · M
@whowasthatmaskedman I'm not quite sure what you're saying here
I dont have a positive experience with the 11-plus, feeling that most of the kids were set up to fail by being "streamed" before it. I certainly didnt pass on anything I learned there and was moved from one "B" to "A" class when I passed..Rather isolating..
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@ArtieKat I was in Australia for most of my primary school education but returned to England for one year. age 10/11. I was placed in the second stream with the "also ran" kids and breezed along, until the exam, when I was the only one in the class to pass and was immediately moved into the other class, where the kids where actually being educated.. The social adjustment was extreme.. We returned to Oz at the end of the school year, so I never saw a public or Grammar School.😷
ArtieKat · M
@whowasthatmaskedman I understand. I knew quite a lot of kids at Grammar School who came from deprived backgrounds but who shone and bloomed - the first in their families to go to University etc. No system is completely fair.
Similarname · 46-50, M
Pros
Usually smaller class sizes w more individualized attention from teachers
Usually better teaching (you get what you pay for)
Usually have advanced placement classes
Private schools usually in nice/safer locations
Perhaps a higher costing private school brings better school security(?)
Cons
Higher cost than public school
Location of private school may not be in your area, creating a transportation concern (how to get your student to the private school)
Sports team options may be limited w a smaller private school student population & school staff
Usually smaller class sizes w more individualized attention from teachers
Usually better teaching (you get what you pay for)
Usually have advanced placement classes
Private schools usually in nice/safer locations
Perhaps a higher costing private school brings better school security(?)
Cons
Higher cost than public school
Location of private school may not be in your area, creating a transportation concern (how to get your student to the private school)
Sports team options may be limited w a smaller private school student population & school staff
bijouxbroussard · F
Pros: Can provide targeted assistance to children with "special needs", giving extra help. Generally a safer environment, but no guarantees ; I got beaten up at Catholic school. Private schools can afford the best qualified teachers, but teachers are still fallible human beings.
Cons: The cost, and often the first example kids see of the differences being a "have" vs a "have not" can make. One thing about Catholic schools and some other private schools, we wore uniforms, and jewelry was restricted, so there was considerably less postering in that regard. Nobody really knew if you were coming to school from a single family house or a studio apartment.
Cons: The cost, and often the first example kids see of the differences being a "have" vs a "have not" can make. One thing about Catholic schools and some other private schools, we wore uniforms, and jewelry was restricted, so there was considerably less postering in that regard. Nobody really knew if you were coming to school from a single family house or a studio apartment.
LamontCranston · M
I still remember in fourth grade (without consulting me (ha!) my parents transferred me from the local public school to a nearby parochial school (Catholic, taught by nuns). It was clearly more scholastically demanding there. That enabled me to qualify and attend a Jesuit exam school for boys. [We were not a well-to-do family.]
OliRos · 22-25, F
@LamontCranston Did they teach English there?
LamontCranston · M
@OliRos Indeed.
Queendragonfly · 31-35, F
Pros: Smaller classes. Might be located in a beautiful area. Cleaner and better quality than public schools.
Cons: More expensive, still bullying going on just better disguised, strict with school uniforms, you're often far away from family and friends.
Cons: More expensive, still bullying going on just better disguised, strict with school uniforms, you're often far away from family and friends.
Adogslife · 61-69, M
Public schools tend to teach to the lowest common denominator. Private education is typically more rigorous and thus prepares most more effectively for college. If you have the money, it’s worth the investment.
Dawgsfan3 · 41-45, M
Pro: It’s safer. Con: It’s usually more expensive but worth it. I went to private schools from kindergarten to 12th grades
Jstbanannas1991 · 31-35, F
@Dawgsfan3 I take it you had a good experience?
Dawgsfan3 · 41-45, M
@Jstbanannas1991 Yes. The classes are smaller too
BrewCityBarfly · M
I had some Catholic neighbors who sent their kids to a private Lutheran school, and then pulled them out. They told me it was because they were "too religious".
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kodiac · 22-25, M
Pro less chance of being target for school shooter. Con most can't afford it.
HannahSky · F
Smaller, better education
Somewhat isolating compared to public schools
Somewhat isolating compared to public schools
Sojournersoul · M
Pros: smaller classes, more one on one time.
Cons: sense of entitlement
Cons: sense of entitlement
ArtieKat · M
If the parents can afford the fees then there are no cons.
MarineBob · 56-60, M
You are still paying for public school also
Iwantyourhotwife · 22-25
Pros: teachers amd grades favor to let you pass because it means money, usually
Cons: it's gunna enslave you most likely to massive debt, staff aren't going to be up to par cuz the school maximizes profit by minimizing teacher pay
Cons: it's gunna enslave you most likely to massive debt, staff aren't going to be up to par cuz the school maximizes profit by minimizing teacher pay
LamontCranston · M
That is the entirety of the question? Shouldn't it be more detailed or specific as to certain aspects?
Jstbanannas1991 · 31-35, F
@LamontCranston no, I like it open ended.
BeefySenpie · M
Pros: learned how to wear a tie daily
Cons: everything else
Cons: everything else
SomeMichGuy · M
Private secondary school?
Pros: Smaller classes and more funding
Cons: Not necessarily good schools
Cons: Not necessarily good schools
MethDozer · M
Went to to them from pre-K to 9. If I had kids I would refuse to put them through it.
Jstbanannas1991 · 31-35, F
@MethDozer how come?
MethDozer · M
@Jstbanannas1991 It was kinda miserable and you aren't really around the kids in your neighborhood. You're all bused in from all over the damn place and it kinda makes you isolated from your actual home neighborhood. Plus it was expensive and put unecessary burden on the family finances. The faculties we're all killjoy hardasses and you end up in a situation of the privileged rich brats and the few blue collar kids who's parents think sending them there is better. I hated private school and it really just made hate school in general.
Jstbanannas1991 · 31-35, F
@MethDozer I’m sorry you had a bad experience. Thanks for sharing.
empanadas · 31-35, M
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Better more accurate learning, tuition from hell.