Question for the religious and non religious folks who...

@BlueVeins the gay religious stuff I think is more people twisting their religious views to back up their hatred of gay people. Granted I dont know enough about others religions to really say that but from the arguments I have seen on it, there is many contradictions to gay people and certain religion such as Christianity for example.
when it comes to religion and hating on others due to that, I can see why the arguments are valid

oh yeah Big Foot certainly does not exist at this point of time for sure, But in past though I think could be pretty reasonable to say

@BlueVeins Jehovah's Witnesses are definitely "religious" to the point that it affects their positions on things, but they are also a very bad example of why "religious" doesn't necessarily equate with "correct" positions on things. Take the whole "blood issue" for example. G-d gave instructions to the Israelites not to consume meat with it's blood and there's a lot more details about what that meant that aren't as obvious. Somehow they managed to take this completely out of context and use it to forbid a common life saving medical procedure while totally ignoring the original context. Ever wonder why Jews, the people who this instruction was given to don't have a problem with blood transfusions? Or why they all, from the most observant to the least tend to support abortion rights?

@robb65 You're conflating religion w holy book. A holy book is words on a paper, a religion is an ideology based off the holy book. The two can differ substantially, doesn't make the religion in question any less real, or the followers any less religious.

@JuniperEmz good point and from my experience with paganism and that being Norse paganism is there is no desire or priority to spread it around to others.

I do see where people are coming from with spreading it and so on based on the replies in here. I guess my question is when it comes to the endless arguing back and forth stuff.
If people want to "spread the word" of their religion, why not do that to people who want to hear it and leave others alone when its clear they dont want any part of it and why do non believers care so much that people do have religious views?
yeah the never ending arguments on religion is baffling to me.

@Torsten I wanna heart that twice!

I don't mind people talking to me about what they believe (I prob won't start the conversation though), but when it goes from two people being interested in each others views of the world to badgering me, yeah that's when I try to back away a bit...

@JuniperEmz I am the same with you on that for certain things. religion is a big topic I normally try and avoid. If people ask me bout it thats cool but if a argument breaks out, I am out. Its just a waste of time

@Diotrephes What is the nature of this question? Is it meant to be a trick question that has no correct answer?
Why is it assumed that Jesus's sermon on those occasions particularly illustrated specifically one of the 10 commandments?
Jesus always did the will of God. All 10 commandments are the will of God.
Unsure of how to approach this question which has a built in premise.

@Torsten Having someone tell me about their religion ( and i have had that on more then a few occasions) is not them shoving it down my throat.. The closest i have come to that was from a muslim and islam believes fighting jihad against the unbeliever as a way of forcing their religion down throats.. But the common complaint by people like you about Christianity is just a lie..


Once again no i don't.. Hate is a choice that people make.. People can choose to respond to a person sharing their religion in many different ways.. Hate mongering people decide to respond with hate towards the one sharing their beliefs.. Now i can and i do hate other religions but that is not the same as hating a person who believes in that religion.. So i hate islam but i do not hate muslims.. I hate the catholic religion and the Jehovah's witness religion and the mormon religion but i do not hate mormons of JW's or catholics..


Why are you saying sorry for?? I have been sharing the Gospel for 30 years and i face hatred most days of doing it, so you are not telling me anything i don't already know.. As as for your point.. If a person has the truth and thus knows what is actually best for everyone.. They they should be listened to and their advice should be taken.. Now most religous people believe their religion is the right way.. I have had muslims, JW's, Catholics, mormons and atheists who where very confident in their beliefs telling me all about it.. Did their confidence get me all hot under the collar and bothered? Nope.. Why? because i am supremely confident in the Gospel of The LORD Jesus..


No i read your thoughts. I listened to them.. And i responded with my thoughts about your thoughts.. That's the way of this kind of discussion..

@Adstar Were you open to listening to them tell you bout their religion? If so, that is not having it shoved down your throat. Its when people know full well people dont want to hear it yet keep trying to tell them about it.

hate is not a choice, its a feeling. You can not really just pick and choose what you feel. It happens organically. You can deny it and try fighting it but you dont choose it.

its a given that Christianity has to be one of the most hated religions these days and I fully believe it is due to Christians having this desire to force it upon others.
Again it is not for you to tell others what is best for them. You might think you know what is best, but you really dont.
You try acting as if you know what is best for others, people will shut you out. I would think after doing that for 30 years you would have learned that at this point.

@Torsten
Nope. People who don't want to hear it say something like thanks for the discussion but i do not believe in God and i don't want to discuss it further.. When people say that i am cool with walking away from them..

But i find online that people, Yeah people like you.. Never actually say that.. Most people want to keep the discussion rolling with counter points. They want to vent at me.. They want to continue the interaction..

Of course online if i end my Gospel sharing with a person and walk away and they post a new thread saying something wrong about Christianity i will respond to them in defense of Christianity.. That's not my sharing my faith, that's me defending my faith from a false accusation or a misrepresentation..


It's definitely a choice..


Nope.. There are no Bible believing Christians waging holy war / jihad upon unbelievers.. That's a muslim thing.. There are no Christians running a inquisition, That was a catholic religion thing.. And i am not forcing anything down anyone's throat here on SW.. Belief comes when people personally believe Jesus.. You cannot force anyone to believe anything..


If you believe you have the answer to saving others from a terrible eternal outcome and hold your tongue and keep quiet, to just sit back and watch them walk of a cliff into a furnace then that would make you one evil Son of a female dog.. So i will share the Gospel with whom so ever will consider it..


I have not been doing this for the last 30 years to save everyone... I have been doing it to bless people who are destined to accept the Gospel truth and are on their way to being saved and having eternal life in Gods perfect eternal existence.. Now if i only help one or two people on their way to the LORD then so be it.. I am not here to save people who hate the love of the truth..

@SW-User I get that logic to a extent for sure

You’re a loud and proud conservative…christian was just assumed, lol @nedkelly

@Torsten I never seem to bring my religion in to any conversations

@nedkelly probably the smart thing to do.
I dont hide my beliefs but I also dont go out of my way to talk about them

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrowThe good thing about internet forums such as this is that we can always leave discussions and go do a million other things with our time instead of getting upset when someone posts an opinion that we disagree with.

@Diotrephes If only it was that easy. I have had someone literally suggest I should be stoned to death because I don't believe what they do on this site. That is on a new level.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow
Sorry you had that experience. I consider all of us to be buddies who can discuss a variety of issues with each other although we all have different opinions. If anyone wants someone to always be in agreement then that person should talk to the image in the mirror.

@Diotrephes you obviously haven't read the Bible much...

@wildbill83 Please cite one verse where Jesus, not Paul, spoke dialogue that says that Gentiles as well as Israelites, will get into the golden cube called New Jerusalem.

@bleach
People are always getting their hells mixed up. In the New Testament, when a person dies he goes to death, the sea, or to hell. But all three places are temporary, even Jesus went to hell. Everyone gets out on Judgment Day and death and hell are tossed into the lake of fire. People who have been in hell might still get into the golden cube called New Jerusalem but they won't spend eternity in hell. They might be tossed into the lake of fire, which is the second death.

In the Islamic version when you die you stay dead until Judgment Day and then you get resurrected. The good guys get their own paradises with their own harems, two ninety foot tall translucent women creatures, a herd of cute boys, and eternal erections. Most of the people in hell are women and everyone in hell gets tortured forever.

You might get slapped around in the biblical hell but it's not forever. Stay out of the Islamic hell because it is nasty and forever.

@Zaphod42 i did not know that about their rapture. that is interesting indeed.
Good point though haha

@JestAJester So atheist with a Christian background?
If correct I was not aware atheists got the bigoted militant type accusations, I thought those religious normally had that attached to them by atheists.
That shows my lack of knowledge of both sides really.
tweaks can always be good though and do what you feel is right for you

@REMsleep That is exactly what I did. I quoted you verbatim and responed appropriately, taking what you said at face value.

You claimed that -
I then explained why it is.

@Sharon Your explanation of my words is incorrect. You assigned some arbitrary meaning that was neither my intention nor to the letter of what was actually said by me.
Thats where the problem lies and you seem not to even see that you've done this. There is no way to dialouge with a person such as yourself because no matter what I say and no matter how I explain it you will accuse me of what your preconception is anyway.
That is not a fair conversation.

@REMsleep No, I did not assign any meaning to your words, I took them as having the common meaning, recorded in English dictionaries. I always presume a person is saying what they mean to say. I accept that can be a problem if English is not their first language and I try to make allowance for that.

Can you spot the deliberate grammatical error in my last sentence?

@mrh1972 How can you believe in a force that is not God? By definition wouldn't a powerful force be a god?
A god is just to mean something (force)that is greater than us. We cannot fully know)
Now different religions might assign different characteristics to God, but how can there be a force and an afterlife with nothing responsible for any of it existing?

@REMsleep i take your point, its just my own thoughts

@HijabaDabbaDoo exactly and thats why I asked both sides instead of just one

@circleK mostly because that is how it comes off

@Torsten Imagine if they ever suspected they were being unreasonable.

@SW-User yeah very tiresome indeed and its one of those topics and debates that never goes anywhere and seems people just love arguing in circles for the hell of it

@Torsten never ending waste of time

@SW-User exactly

@ABCDEF7 I can see your point with that

@Torsten Thanks you got my point.

I just wrote in bold to make it like someone is forcing their believe on you. Please don't take it personally.

@ABCDEF7 nah no offence taken. I could see where you were going with it and you're correct in what you wrote

@luv2fish Really?

@Sharon I do my best to be kind to people. You're blocked!

@luv2fish She's just pointing out the flaw in Pascal's Wager.

@Torsten I'm going to give you an example not related to religion. Last account here, people were posting a lot about covid, vaccines, etc.... many felt it necessary to keep asking others if they were vaccinated and others felt it necessary to say why NOT to be vaccinated. The same thing you are asking about, just a different topic.
I was called a virus and told to die already. Sounds a lot like how some get about religion too! lol

@SW-User exactly, people are unreasonable with certain topics and will never shift their views. Covid vaccine is certainly a good example of that and is very comparable to talking about religion.
I would say I am shocked someone told you to die already but I am not because i have seen and been involved in that type of convo so many times here nothing surprises me with how people get in them

@Torsten Yep.... people are crazy. lol
Seriously, some are not very nice or caring how they talk to others, whatever the subject.
I try to steer clear of most things now.

@Stereoguy They need to hear about aevery other religion too so they can make nn informed choice.

@Stereoguy Then I see no reason for them to learn about Jesus or your preferred deity.

@bleach some you can definitely see use religion as a crutch to lean on and hate certain people but I dont think its fair to say everyone who is religious does that.
Christianity has changed a fair bit with the times, so I cant really say much about that as I dont have much knowledge except for a few certain things there.
Other religions are certainly very different though

@SW-User I don't recall it ever being spoken so bluntly but it's spot on.