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What is Columbus Day?

It's interesting watching people talk about Columbus Day.

Where I came from, Columbus Day really had very little to do with "discovering America". It has to do with Italian American ethnic pride.

The first time we had a national Columbus Day was in 1892. It wasn't the 400th anniversary that did made it a thing. A dozen Italian immigrants had been lynched in the deep south. The 14 March 1891 New Orleans lynchings.

It became a regular national observance after the lobbying of the Knights of Columbus. The primary lobbyist was Generoso Pope, a successful business who ran major Italian language newspapers in America. Congress passed a statute requesting the president to acknowledge 12 October as Columbus day. Part of the Congressional statute includes an invitation for everyone to invite everyone to celebrate the discovery of America. Clearly its discovery by an Italian. FDR made it so.

When I was a kid, in 1966, an Italian American, Mariano Lucca, lead the National Columbus Day Committee which lobbied to make it a federal holiday, not just a national observance. And so LBJ made it so.

Of course at the local organic level, Columbus and the discovery of the new world was celebrated as a matter of Italian pride since the 18th century in the Americas. San Francisco has the longest continuous Italian-American community and they have been celebrating with a parade and other festivities since 1886.

Makes me miss home.

I have yet to see one post about Italians or Italian Americans. They did this thing and made the holiday possible.
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Really · 80-89, M
A nostalgic sentiment for the locations and people we grew up with seems quite natural, but personal pride in the accomplishments of others, based on a common nationality or ethnicity, makes no sense.
dancingtongue · 80-89, M
@Really I agree with your statement, but you have to understand the context of the times in the U.S. The big Italian-American celebrations on Columbus Day, Irish-American on St. Patrick's Day, and less nationally-known ones in communities with large Polish, German, etc., immigrant populations was a reminder of their numbers and presence in an American society that tended to ignore and discriminate against them in the name of "assimilation". And, less we forget, the marketing people have had a large hand in later days -- particularly the booze marketers for
St. Paddy's and Cinco de Mayo, the latter not even being a holiday in Mexico and not marking Mexican Independence and more a celebration of Latin American heritage than anything having to do with Mexico.
Really · 80-89, M
@dancingtongue Well my statement has nothing to do with minorities asserting & celebrating their existence. It's about people expressing personal pride in the accomplishment of others just because they have the same national or ethnic roots. I'm not claiming that I myself never suffer from this kind of delusional sentiment; just that it is not rational and I am able to recognize that.

Also, as soon as someone begins telling me what I "Have to understand" my hackles go up and I have to dispute them. How rational is that? 😁.
@Really Where and when I grew up, Columbus Day was less about discovery, ships, even Columbus himself. It was more about Italian pride. And at the bottom of Italian American pride was less some random Genoese seaman, and more about the immigrant experience and what successes it brought. And really just celebrating culture.
dancingtongue · 80-89, M
@Really Point taken. I only used that phrasing given previous postings by you acknowledging your limited exposure and understanding of the deep-rooted racial/ethnic divisions in the U.S., and it was meant solely to acknowledge that I understood you were coming from a British/Canadian perspective. It was not meant to be chiding or reproachful and I apologize if it came across that way.
SW-User
@Really it may be something easy to logically deconstruct, but it is also easy to make a logical case for why such things as national pride in an individual’s achievements have arisen and what function they serve in a society
Really · 80-89, M
@SW-User I would contend that national pride has been at the the root of huge carnage throughout history and throughout the world.
SW-User
@Really sure. And from another angle the foundation of nations as functional cultural and social units is a testament to the ability of humans to cooperate beyond the level of tribe
Really · 80-89, M
@SW-User OK