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What is Columbus Day?

It's interesting watching people talk about Columbus Day.

Where I came from, Columbus Day really had very little to do with "discovering America". It has to do with Italian American ethnic pride.

The first time we had a national Columbus Day was in 1892. It wasn't the 400th anniversary that did made it a thing. A dozen Italian immigrants had been lynched in the deep south. The 14 March 1891 New Orleans lynchings.

It became a regular national observance after the lobbying of the Knights of Columbus. The primary lobbyist was Generoso Pope, a successful business who ran major Italian language newspapers in America. Congress passed a statute requesting the president to acknowledge 12 October as Columbus day. Part of the Congressional statute includes an invitation for everyone to invite everyone to celebrate the discovery of America. Clearly its discovery by an Italian. FDR made it so.

When I was a kid, in 1966, an Italian American, Mariano Lucca, lead the National Columbus Day Committee which lobbied to make it a federal holiday, not just a national observance. And so LBJ made it so.

Of course at the local organic level, Columbus and the discovery of the new world was celebrated as a matter of Italian pride since the 18th century in the Americas. San Francisco has the longest continuous Italian-American community and they have been celebrating with a parade and other festivities since 1886.

Makes me miss home.

I have yet to see one post about Italians or Italian Americans. They did this thing and made the holiday possible.
YourMomsSecretCrush · M Best Comment
Happy Columbus Day !!!
@YourMomsSecretCrush Yea. That is sort of the Columbus Day I grew up with. Lots of Italian flags.
@CopperCicada Same, here.
Slade · 56-60, M

SW-User
It's...I show up at your house uninvited and tell you to leave ...then I claim it as my house now ...😎
LeeInTheNorthWoods · 70-79, F
@SW-User I understand your feelings. There are lots of problems with the way the United States came to be and has evolved. But sooner or later we have just have to start appreciating what we have. I'm grateful my forbearers came here and I don't have anywhere to go back to. Maybe we can start there. Wallowing in collective guilt isn't making life easier for Indigenous Peoples or anyone else.
Yes, that’s what I recall from growing up in a largely Italian-American neighborhood. I got pushed around for expressing the opinions that:
A. You can’t "discover" a land already inhabited by people.
B. There’s no evidence Columbus ever set foot in what is now the U.S.
Later, of course, Native groups rallied to change Columbus Day to Indigenous Peoples Day. The Italian-Americans pushed back, and so here we acknowledge both.
fun4us2b · M
@CopperCicada @bijouxbroussard You can be a fan of Columbus's - firstly, he was primarily a navigator who was given a crew of criminals that were in a constant state of mutiny looking for people and places to rape and pillage, and he was brought back to Spain in shackles and spent the period between the 3rd and 4th voyages in prison. When he returned to Hispaniola he wasn't allowed to land and was stuck on Panama for a few years...no, he never set foot in North America - what he did do was using his navigating skills normalize the passage between Europe and the Caribbean. His crew was responsible for the murders and displacement and that is why the whole region including Mexico now speaks Spanish - Back to Columbus, he and is brother were constantly under threat from his crew, and disrespected by his sponsoring government, except Queen Isabella, and when she died, he was toast, ended up impoverished living in a little shack as all his prior "rewards" were taken from him...so he was a bit of an anomaly - but certainly not the plunderer people say he was.
@CopperCicada Our country did some ridiculous things. While placing Japanese-Americans in internment camps (a concentration camp by any other name), as well as German-and Italian-Americans in smaller numbers, they were bringing actual former Nazis here to further their science programs.
German- and Italian-Americans were likewise incarcerated under order No. 9066, but to a lesser degree than the Japanese. About 11,500 Germans and 1,881 Italians were interned across the country. But it wasn’t enough for the U.S. government to illegally imprison Germans living in the United States. America trolled Latin American countries, scarfed up German nationals living peacefully across Central and South America, and plopped them into U.S. prison camps.

Most of those imprisoned were held for the duration of the war. After their release, they returned to find their homes and businesses ransacked, destroyed or stolen from them. A number of Japanese farmers returned to California only to discover white Americans had taken over their farms and refused to give them back.
Dino11 · M
@bijouxbroussard My dentist is one of those that came from one of internment camps near Livingston. Berkley graduate, Harvard graduate school, Still has his feet on the ground. His family didn't let that bigoted wartime over-reaction ruin them, they forged ahead like all of us have had to,
under demeaning conditions.
HikingMan · 51-55, M
Columbus was Italian.
Most of the sailors were from Spain and the Spanish Queen was the one that funded the entire adventure.
Thus, the Spanish names of the 3 Ships to make the journey and discovery.

Nina, Pinta, & Santa Maria

In fact, Italy and the Italian government, historical foundations, and adventure societies at the time turned down Columbus' request multiple times....

Columbus may have gotten a day, but history tells us he discovered and claimed it's discovery as a Spanish success.

If I were Spanish I'd probably feel you were misappropriating this Holiday.... 🙃

I suppose I should mention that all 3 captains were Italian sailors.
But if not for Spain..., none of them would have ever made it into a history book.

Italy at the time believed the world was flat, and all of it's important people thought Columbus to be a crackpot.
Really · 80-89, M
A nostalgic sentiment for the locations and people we grew up with seems quite natural, but personal pride in the accomplishments of others, based on a common nationality or ethnicity, makes no sense.
Really · 80-89, M
@SW-User I would contend that national pride has been at the the root of huge carnage throughout history and throughout the world.
SW-User
@Really sure. And from another angle the foundation of nations as functional cultural and social units is a testament to the ability of humans to cooperate beyond the level of tribe
Really · 80-89, M
@SW-User OK
MasterLee · 56-60, M
It is a celebration. Columbus never made it to America but the idea of exploration.
He was a man of his times, someone living in 1492 being criticized by people of 2022 is an exercise in futility.
It will never end, can we criticize the indigenous people for their actions of those times?
@FreeSpirit1 I'm not sure where I was criticizing him.
@CopperCicada I wasn't saying YOU were, it's every Columbus day we do the same thing though
Colonialism is wrong -. This day is when we pretend not to know. So are all the other days.
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@Roundandroundwego who does? I don’t know that this exists outside your imagination.

People know colonialism was wrong.

You seem to be getting some kind of cognitive emotional pay off continually judging others and putting them down

Isn’t that a form of colonisation?

What good are you contributing to the world?
Makes sense that this would come from a country that supported bombing Agrabah.
@LeopoldBloom whatever. Nobody thinks you would want anything but war.
SW-User
It's a gun swap down at the local school yard
SW-User
I have yet to see one post about Italians or Italian Americans. They did this thing and made the holiday possible.

You just did. Why do people continually have to be finding fault?
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@CopperCicada this isn’t directed specifically at you

And in fact I would argue that many of your posts have this shaming sting in the tail. It is a modern curse.
@SW-User 😒
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