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Under Biden's administration, you can be executed without trial for making 'implied threats' against the Joe Biden.

A man in Utah was shot and killed by FBI agents after making an 'implied threat' - "cleaning the dust off the M24 sniper rifle" - against Joe Biden.

PROVO, Utah (AP) — An armed Utah man killed by FBI agents after making [implied] threats against President Joe Biden was described by family and neighbors as a gun enthusiast and devoted churchgoer who became distraught over what he saw as “a corrupt and overreaching government.”

The family insisted in a statement on Thursday that Air Force veteran Craig Deleeuw Robertson would not have acted on the threats and committed violence over political disagreements, despite court records in which prosecutors depicted him as radicalized.

Robertson, who public records say was 74 years old, was killed Wednesday by agents trying to serve a warrant at his Provo home hours before the president landed in Utah to visit a Veterans Affairs hospital in Salt Lake City...

Prosecutors had filed three felony charges against Robertson under seal for alleged threats, including one this week that he was “cleaning the dust off the M24 sniper rifle” in anticipation of Biden’s Utah visit.

The self-employed woodworker was largely homebound and had limited mobility,

“The salient point is that he was never actually going to hurt anyone,” family member Julie Robertson said in a text message. “He didn’t even leave his house on the day of the presidential visit.”
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JSul3 · 70-79
AP:
SALT LAKE CITY (AP) — "A 75-year-old man shot by officers trying to arrest him for social media threats he made against officials including President Joe Biden had a history of “exercising his 2nd Amendment rights, albeit a little recklessly,” according to Utah police records.

Craig Robertson was killed after pointing a revolver at FBI agents who came to his house in numbers last Wednesday. Nearly five years earlier, he brought a handgun into his Provo, Utah, backyard to demand Google Fiber employees working on a utility pole to connect a neighbor’s WiFi get off his property, according to a Provo Police incident report obtained by The Associated Press.

His history of carrying firearms when addressing people near his home reflects the difficulties law enforcement can face in assessing threats when those accused of making them are heavily armed."

CNN:
Robertson was facing three federal charges, including threats against the president as well as influencing, impeding and retaliating against federal law enforcement officers by threat. Investigators noted that Robertson appears to owns “a sniper rifle” and several other firearms.

Some of the threats happened just ahead of Biden’s planned trip to Utah.

Prosecutors alleged that in one online threat to the president, Robertson wrote, “I HEAR BIDEN IS COMING TO UTAH. DIGGING OUT MY OLD GHILLE SUIT AND CLEANING THE DUST OFF THE M24 SNIPER RIFLE. WELCOM, BUFFOON-IN-CHIEF!”

He had also posted online threats against other Democratic politicians and prosecutors who have brought cases against former President Donald Trump. The case comes amid heightened vitriol aimed at national and local leaders in the lead-up to the 2024 election and what FBI Director Christopher Wray has called an “unprecedented” level of threats against FBI agents.

In another post Robertson said, “Hey FBI, you still monitoring my social media? Checking so I can be sure to have a loaded gun handy in case you drop by again.”

As many right wing supporters of the police love to point out after someone is shot and killed:
Had he simply complied with the officers command, he would still be alive today.
Kwek00 · 41-45, M
@sunsporter1649 Another case where the law-abiding citizens are argueing in favor of a fellow citizen that didn't abide by the law.

What happened too: "play stupid games win stupid prices."?
JSul3 · 70-79
@Kwek00 Ok....I'm going there:
White man killed by cops. Bad!

Black man killed by cops. Good!
Kwek00 · 41-45, M
@JSul3 Well, it's just too easy to show the bigotted disgusting hypocrisy 🤷‍♂️. The only that doesn't recognise it, is the disgusting piece of shit who lives up too the labels on a daily basis.
specman · 51-55, MVIP
I see it as a lawful shooting if he pulled a gun on officers of the law. He created a life threatening situation for the officers. They had the right by the law to protect themselves and others. It is the same right that hand gun carriers have ( in Texas we don’t require a license to carry and I conceal carry mine more the sole purpose to protect my family and myself in life threatening situations like he created for the officers).
By his family and friends that say he wasn’t going to use his weapon against the person he was threatening by insinuating or saying that he was going to kill them . Well if he did follow up on his threats his family and friends would be saying I can’t believe that he would kill him and the dead person’s family would be mourning his death. Bottom line is if he was in his right mind he would have never been giving life threats. Especially nowadays when everyone seems to have lost their minds.

I am a Republican and I am pro guns . I am Christian and say God Bless America and I don’t agree with the way this country seems to be headed
I don’t like Joe Biden either but I would never do what this man did.
I damn sure wouldn’t pull a gun on officers of the law.
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specman · 51-55, MVIP
@SomeMichGuy I agree 100%.
Northwest · M
The salient point, is that you ignored the mountain of threats this man has been making, including the one where he warns that he's going to kill anyone in law enforcement, who comes his way. That is the salient point.

And, of course, if he attempted to do just that: fire on the FBI agents serving the warrant. A 74 year old with a weapon, is still someone who can kill an FBI agent with that weapon.
But this was cool

JSul3 · 70-79
@BizSuitStacy I totally agree that the law is not equally applied to all.

Bottom line: He pointed a gun at cops and got what was expected.
@JSul3 yes...pointing a gun at cops will get you dead
ChadJNSD · 18-21, M
@BizSuitStacy The hypocrisy of the left is insane and other worldly.
Ruby ridge…
A legal dispute about barrel lengths resulted in so much wrong from the feds..
and incidentally.. one of bill Barrs cover ups… that guy gets around!
JSul3 · 70-79
@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout
The Guardian:
On 21 August that year, the marshals went to a location that became known as Ruby Ridge, near Naples, to scout a location where they might ambush a fugitive, Randy Weaver. Weaver had been holed up for a year and half with his family in his cabin, having failed to attend his trial on firearms charges.

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The marshals aroused the attention of Weaver’s dogs. Alarmed, they retreated to a small clearing to the west of the house. Weaver ventured out, looking for the source of the disturbance. His 14-year-old son, Sammy, and his young friend Kevin Harris did the same on a separate route, following on the heels of a dog, Striker.
Weaver met the marshals first, they challenged him, and then he retreated into the brush. A minute later, the two boys and the dog came out of the woods. There was an exchange of fire. The exact order of events has been disputed for a quarter of a century, but the end result was that Sammy Weaver, deputy marshal Bill Degan and Striker were all dead.

The Weavers retreated to their cabin and laid Sammy’s body in a shed. Over the next day, federal and local officers – now under the command of the FBI – began to arrive in their hundreds to join the siege.

The next day, 22 August, operating under rules of engagement that allowed deadly force, an FBI sniper wounded Randy Weaver as he checked on Sammy’s corpse. The same sniper then shot Randy’s wife, Vicki, dead and wounded Kevin Harris.

The siege dragged on to the end of August, and the scene became a circus.

Neo-Nazis from the nearby Aryan Nations compound at Hayden Lake showed up to protest.

Other far-right groups poured in from all over the country to stand against what they saw as the persecution of an innocent family by a tyrannical federal government.

Ruby Ridge was resolved, in the end, not by agents, but by civilian negotiators including Bo Gritz, a former green beret, prolific conspiracy theorist, and the Populist party’s presidential candidate, who was briefly on a ticket with the ex-Klansman David Duke.

Mike German, a former FBI officer who at the time of Ruby Ridge was working undercover in white supremacist groups, and now Fellow at NYU’s Brennan School for Law and Justice, says that while the FBI “inherited a mess” when it took on the badly handled case, the bureau “ultimately saw it as a mistake, and an escalation that had caused significant harm, including to children”.

They made it worse, he says, by “engaging in a cover-up to hide their mistakes”. In 1997, E Michael Kahoe, who had helped supervise the FBI’s response, was sentenced to 18 months in a federal prison for burying documents critical of the agency’s approach to the siege ahead of the prosecution of Weaver and Harris.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@JSul3 It was stupid to engage in such a siege. All they had to do was to tell Weaver to surrender his stupid ass within 10 minutes or they would drop a fire bomb and roast his ass. That's what they did in Philadelphia years ago. Maybe the Weaver case was an example of White privilege.
JSul3 · 70-79
@Diotrephes No doubt. It was one big f up.
they couldnt get him on the way to the letterbox.. or local shops.

nope. a flash bang dawn raid hoping the person inside will grab a gun without checking to see if its the feds first.

expect more and more of it...
This is just stupid.
If you make any threat againt The President of the United States you're going to be arrested.
If you pull a gun on authorities who are there to arrest you they're going to use lethal force.
Trying to turn it into an "Under The Biden Administration" story is just silly.
You can't read, can you?
@Justice4All Again, you can't read.
Carissimi · F
We only have their word that he was armed, and their word is usually a lie, as we have seen over time.
JSul3 · 70-79
@Carissimi Well I don't like cops shooting unarmed people...many being black....in the back.
Carissimi · F
What’s that got to do with this subject matter, or what I wrote? You are talking about another topic. @JSul3
JSul3 · 70-79
@Carissimi It has everything to do with the topic. If these agents are in the wrong, they must be held accountable for their actions.
We have seen many an unarmed black man, shot by police, many times in the back. What is the rhetoric from many? "Well, he got what he deserved because all he had to do, was comply with the officers command and he would still be alive."
Police are able to 'shoot first and ask questions later' mentality, due to the fact they can act with impunity.

So what we have here, is a white man that, according to the audio, was told twice to "Show me your hands!" i don't know if he pointed a gun at the agents or not....any video I have seen is too dark or with bright red lights flashing, unable to see. If it can be proven that he was unarmed, the agent(s) need to be held accountable.
What we do know is, this white msn had a history of being quick to garnish a gun. He threatened some cable tech guys who were trying to do their job wbo were performing some maintenance. He had a history of rhetoric on social media that got the attention of the feds. You can easily search his comments and judge for yourself if they were threatening. He appeared to be looking forward to seeing Biden....and not in a positive way.
FreestyleArt · 36-40, M
The more it happens. The Quicker of losing their Power. It's always a thing when it's too much for Humans trying to play God.
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You can become invisible and silent online if you question Biden's policies on war, climate and covid. I wonder if it's related.
@Roundandroundwego And you became invisible for saying that?
@BohemianBabe no - I'm a zero thumb participant in YouTube since 2011. On Facebook 2010 I went from over a million followers, growing thousands a day, to never ever one more - for talking Michigan and tahrir square are related stuff.
@Roundandroundwego So WTF are you talking about? How high are you right now?
ChadJNSD · 18-21, M
Tyranny is here. All the leftists see is a “right wing nut” and “gun enthusiast” and that is the ultimate enemy to the deviants on the left. It scares them. Trump 2024! Make America Strong Again.
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StevexStephie · 70-79
Why would someone point a gun that way?
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Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@Justice4All The good news is that the guy didn't die from cancer.
specman · 51-55, MVIP
@Gloomy this is the works of a man that went off the deep end. It wasn’t because he was Republican.
Puppycat23 · F
He was shot and killed because he didn’t comply with authorities. As Republicans say, comply and you won’t die.
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@Puppycat23 Does the name george floyd ring a bell?
Puppycat23 · F
@sunsporter1649 George Floyd didn’t brandish a gun during his arrest.
@sunsporter1649 Floyd was neutralized before Chauvin murdered him. In that case, the death was unnecessary.
UpsideOutInsideDown · 41-45, M
Awwww bless you. This would be adorable if you weren't old enough to vote
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
God you do a teensy thing like repeatedly and publicly threatening to the murder the president and suddenly they get ALL WEIRD ABOUT IT.
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Diotrephes · 70-79, M
Based on countless articles, it is stupid to make any kind of threat. Simply do the deed without ratting yourself out.
There are few countries on earth you can threaten a political leader while holding a rifle and live to tell your grandchildren about it.

But as Americans are all lunatics, it’s not only expected but frankly commonplace.
2cool4school · 46-50, F
@specman
I damn sure wouldn’t pull a gun on officers of the law.

Never draw from the drop, words to live by or else you’ll lose that battle every single time.
How many guns did this Domestic Terrorist have in his home? Why did the FBI end up killing him? Being a Christian White Nationalist adds to the possibility of being a threat, it doesn't excuse it.
Tsk. If he’s stupid enough to threaten the president after January 6, and the recent threats against Obama, then here we go. Good on the authorities for finally taking it seriously. Trump’s been making "implied threats” by announcing that there will more of this kind of thing if he continues to be held accountable for his recent behavior.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. 😒
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
Only stupid people make public threats. So, they shouldn't be surprised when they get filled with hot lead.

 
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