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Does the US not need copper? 50% basically kills trade. Who will agree to pay that kind of increase?

Copper is still desperately needed by the US and can’t be replaced by something else.As usual USA makes no sense. They have little copper deposits themselves and no matter what they do, they need to import it. In fact copper is a good item to apply EXPORT tariffs to punishing the US. USA copper industry is well connected to the Trump Admin. They can now name their price.It’s so ironic that most of the Chilean copper mines are owned by a group from Oklahoma. They keep saying that imports are not that big compared to the rest of your economy but the local suppliers and manufacturers will now be able to raise their prices on anything that they are competing with from overseas. Locally sourced copper, wood products, appliances, etc. will be getting more expensive as they take advantage of the situation.
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Northwest · M Best Comment
Trump is after environmental laws, because copper smelting and mining is environmentally damaging. So the current issue is the inability of smelters to clear reviews. If Trump can make us hurt through doubling prices, to the point where his destruction of the environment is accepted, then his donors will be happy. It's not like Manhattan or Florida have copper smelters waiting on permits.
Khenpal1 · M
@Northwest Meanwhile it will kill export . In 2024, the United States was a significant exporter of copper articles, with a total export value of $12.2 billion, making it the 25th most exported product. The primary destinations for these exports were Mexico, China, Canada, Malaysia, and Thailand. The fastest growing markets for US copper article exports were China, Canada, and Mexico. In addition to finished copper articles, the US also exports significant amounts of copper scrap and ores. Chile, Canada and Peru accounted for more than 90% of refined copper imports last year, according to the United States Geological Survey (USGS).The US produces around 5% of global copper mining output. Its reserves are also at around 5% of the total, according to the US Geological Survey. The US is the world’s largest exporter of copper scrap and also an exporter of copper ore, known as concentrates. However, a lack of sufficient domestic processing capacity means it is also a significant importer of refined copper metal.Any serious curbs on US scrap supplies would redraw the market for scrap, which accounts for almost a third of copper supply. US shipments of waste copper were about 600,000 tons last year, according to research from Citigroup Inc. — an amount equivalent to some of the world’s largest copper mines. More than half of that goes directly to China for processing. In 2024, 48% of Canadian scrap exports were destined for the USA. Tariffs of 50% would end this trade, forcing mills to send these volumes to China or Europe if this were economic.In the case of Mexico, 33% of its copper scrap exports went to the USA last year, a significant contribution to America’s ability to decarbonise and save energy by utilising secondary raw materials instead of primary sources. This scrap could be sent to China but consider the carbon footprint of shipping it across the Pacific Ocean? Mexico’s key role as a supplier of copper to the USA is in the form of auto parts, particularly wiring harnesses, and electric motors. 99% of its auto wiring harness exports are to the USA, (220kt copper content last year). Wiring harness assembly is labour intensive, and this supports tens of thousands of jobs, mainly for women, in Mexico. The president of Sumitomo Electric Industries (SEI), Mr Osamu Inoue, said that the USA would be ‘strangling itself’ if it applied 50% tariffs to harnesses assembled in Mexico. SEI would then relocate all its output to Central America, the Philippines and Vietnam, where labour costs are far lower, and where it would only pay a 5%??? tariff to export to the USA. However, lengthy trans-pacific supply chains are vulnerable to disruption and delays. Much of the copper wire and connectors used in these harnesses are exported from the USA to Mexico, so this tonnage would be lost to Asian consumers, the reverse of the stated objective.China’s main exports to the USA are in the form of insulated wire and cable, electric motors, brass parts, and home appliances, such as air conditioners, fridges, and freezers. In aggregate this amounts to a considerable volume of contained copper. A 10% tariff may not be sufficient to deter such trade, or if does, China will redirect these products to other markets in the Americas, Europe, and Asia, at little cost to itself. In the short term, this could further dampen Chinese copper consumption prospects. Jefferies analysts estimate it would take at least a decade to develop sufficient mining and smelting infrastructure for the US to reach self-sufficiency.Chile and Mexico, both large copper exporters, initially saw their currencies strengthen on the news. The longer-term implications are more nuanced. Reduced volumes and lower margins could depress producer surpluses and result in job losses in mining-intensive regions.

China, the world’s largest copper consumer, is likely to gain competitively from the re-routing of global supply chains away from the US. Having significantly expanded its domestic smelting capacity over the last two decades, Beijing may be able to absorb diverted shipments at favorable prices, reinforcing its industrial base at a time of intensifying strategic competition with Washington, DC.COMEX copper prices spiked as traders rushed to lock in supply before the tariff took effect, anticipating sharply higher domestic prices. Meanwhile, copper futures prices in Shanghai declined, with copper originally destined for the US redirected into global markets. Chinese industrial enterprises are now able to buy more copper at lower prices.Beyond that, the move undermines Trump’s own stated objectives: reviving US manufacturing and countering Chinese influence. Driving up domestic prices, shifting investment overseas, and handing other nations — the BRICS+ bloc, in particular — a golden opportunity to ramp up their dominance in global manufacturing. Copper wires the world, and voluntarily severing the US from global copper markets is a costly and self-defeating proposition.Tariffs of this magnitude on a non-substitutable, industrially critical input like copper are, in a word, reckless. By imposing a blanket 50 percent duty without a clear timeline, scope, or even carve-outs for allied nations, the administration risks weakening US competitiveness, bolstering competitors, and damaging long-standing trade relationships. Since President Donald Trump opened an investigation into possible tariffs on imports of copper in February, U.S. firms have been stocking up on the metal.

exexec · 70-79, C
We have a serious problem in our part of TX with copper thieves, stealing wiring and copper parts from outdoor electrical units. Their business should boom.
Khenpal1 · M
@exexec [media=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5y1gAWjqe0]
tenente · 36-40, M
agree. 50% tariff feels like swinging a sledgehammer when the job needs a wrench. Copper’s critical and the irony of Oklahoma-linked Chilean mines just makes this mess extra crazy. Now domestic suppliers can practically write their own price tags. It’s gonna ripple hard through manufacturing.

Source: am co-owner / operator of metal fab business
Khenpal1 · M
@tenente Copper tariffs was expected by industry , they bought extra. But price is not going to go down anytime soon.
Khenpal1 · M
@tenente my understanding is the US cannot produce MORE copper as the smelters are all working full on and new plant will take two years to build. if this is the case, how in merry hell will this not adversely impact US businesses ? This seems a huge own goal.( as usual )Buying an entire machine from china will be much cheaper than buying a machine with 50% copper tariff from usa. This is going to stop half the construction project in the U.S. dead. The manufacturers will declare force majeur, reprice all their orders to the new prices, and the owners and contractors will get jammed with this. Building permits are going to come to a halt.
Khenpal1 · M
2 thousand square foot house - 185,8061 square meter contains 439 pounds- 199,127 kilograms of copper in its electrical and plumbing systems.U.S. dollars (USD) 2,463 raw metal price .As the gap in U.S. COMEX over London Metal Exchange prices soared to a record high. By August, Benchmark said that U.S. consumers could be paying around $15,000 per metric ton for copper, while the rest of the world pays around $10,000, assuming the 50% tariff rate comes into effect at the start of the month.
ChipmunkErnie · 70-79, M
It's not the USA, it's Trump and his Cult. And no, they couldn't care less about how ANY tarriffs affect the majority of Americans, only how much money they can make off things via sweetheart investments, bribes, etc.
Khenpal1 · M
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Khenpal1 · M
@Darksideinthenight2 Copper prices have risen 38% already in the U.S. this year alone. When the government puts a tariff on a product from another country, it's like adding a tax to it. Even though a company importing the product pays this tax first, they usually raise their prices to cover the new cost. This means you, the consumer, end up paying more for that product. Tariffs can also make American-made versions of the same product more expensive, as those companies might raise their prices too.With that being said, could you explain why the 50% tariff and which countries are involved, and what does he hope to achieve. It’s not an opinion- so give us the facts-Tariffs won't result in more copper. Chile- is the US closest ally in South America now and hardly a threat to ANY US industry.Tariffs are supposed to bring business to US he says, how do you move mining to another country???? There's a shortage of copper on the world market. About 2/3 of copper production in the US comes from Arizona. The limitating factor is smelter capacity. Copper is used across many industries in the US. A tariff will increase the price and may divert capacity to major suppliers such as China. There isn’t enough copper in the world — and the shortage could last till 2030. “We’re already forecasting major deficits in copper to 2030,” said Wood Mackenzie’s Vice President of Metals and Mining, Robin Griffin. He attributed it largely to ongoing unrest in Peru and higher demand for copper in the energy transition industry.

“Anytime there’s political unrest it has a whole range of effects. And the obvious one … is the potential for mining sites to have to close,” he added.Sabrin Chowdhury, head of commodities research at BMI, says that there is a huge shortage of copper ore in China at the moment so any rerouting of Chilean copper ore originally heading to the U.S. would be good for China in the short-term, however in the long-term, domestic demand in China must rise significantly for there to be any meaningful effects.


“BREAKING: Copper just applied for asylum in Canada. ⚙😂”Oompa Loompa, doompety doo, I’ve another tariff for you. How many crackheads does it take to carry the statue of liberty to a scrap yard?

 
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