The Effect Fat Acceptance Is Having On Kids

@helsbels Well, yeah. Nobody's saying we should make these kids feel like shit for being fat. I'm just saying they need to be taught how to live a healthy lifestyle. Goddess knows I wish somebody had pressured me into exercising more when I was younger.

@helsbels I'm sure some people are mean to bigger people just to be mean but that's not what they're talking about in the video I posted.

@LeopoldBloom
You're right but I never said that you eat less and automatically lose weight, diet is actually about 70% of it but the other percent is movement. I don't think I said anything otherwise.


Obesity has been correlated with widespread inflammation and inflammation is a big predicator of disease. It's also been found that you tend to gain weight if your body is inflamed which leads to metabolic disorders.

https://www.endocrineweb.com/obesity-inflammation-cycle

It is universally unhealthy, take Sumos for example. Sumos are on an incredibly healthy diet of chanko nabe... about 5,000 calories of it a day and fasting. They then sleep to keep their weight on after they eat and also exercise for at least two to three hours per day. Despite this, when Sumos retire they run into the trouble of dying early and having heart attacks because of their weight.

There was a Sumo who lost all his weight because otherwise he would have died early, he's now made it his mission to help others do so too. If obesity wasn't universally unhealthy, this wouldn't happen to Sumo wrestlers, they'd be perfectly fine despite eating very healthy.


I've seen some fat activists using the excuse that they can't lose weight because of genetics but if you look at their diet and lifestyle patterns, they do choose to be that way because they don't even try. I once looked it up and aside from very rare conditions which don't affect the general population, it's kind of a myth that if you have "fat" genes you can't lose weight at all. Genes don't make you fat aside if you have a legit disorder like the disorder where your limbs grow.

If you check out myth 5 about genetics, it explains it in detail:

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/jan/05/truth-obesity-five-fat-myths-debunked



Anti fat bias lol, I could see if people were being discriminate against fat people like excluding them from activities or calling them names. But you apparently see facts as "anti fat bias" whereas I see these as literal facts. Are some people biased? Probably but there's a large difference here.

@SatanBurger When a fat person goes to the doctor with a non-fat related issue and doesn't get treatment because everything is attributed to their weight, that's anti-fat bias.

And fat people are discriminated against in other areas. My point is that the automatic assumption of "fat is unhealthy" is unwarranted. Not every fat person is 600 pounds. There may not be any drawbacks at all for some people to be 30 or 40 pounds over the actuarial table. And I'm aware that there are factors other than genetics involved.

Anyway, you asked for a link and I provided one.

@LeopoldBloom
So I looked into it further and it turns out that statistic was from a study done in 1959 to which the authors came out and debunked their own study.


https://abbylangernutrition.com/learning-curve-do-95-of-people-who-lose-weight-really-gain-it-back/

They took 100 people and then gave them random diets and set them on their way. I also found that (included in the link above) in these studies (there's more of them) they were intentionally put on very low calorie, low fat diets or servings of 6 plus grains a day which to people who are insulin resistant, wouldn't do them any good. We've obviously grown since the 1960s so it's basically because of crash dieting.


Here's a crazy idea, the doctor could be right. I'd have to know each person's specific story in order to make a judgement. I just can't sit here and say they're incorrect because I'd have to observe how a person eats, their lifestyle choices and other things. I know people who still don't believe B12 is even a thing, even while going to the hospital for being deficient in B12 and showing neurodegenerative issues.


It's not unwarranted, I gave a link as to how obesity is directly related to inflammation. I have yet to find any link countering that evidence. Good types of fat from food in by itself is great but we're talking about obesity. I'm not demonizing fat.


Yeah but we're talking about specifically obesity here, not just larger skeletal structures.

@AthrillatheHunt It is and it's going to get worse. I don't see it stopped unless they put a cap on what junk food companies can do but they're so big. Coca Cola and many other junk food products have their own science divisions in their companies so it's a really big industry that affects health policies.

@SatanBurger when he was mayor in nyc, MikeB (Bloomberg) tried to limit the size of soda cups for this reason.
Certain groups were up in arms about it and gave him the nickname nanny mike.

@AthrillatheHunt Wow all over soda lmao. The addiction is so engrained that I fear if something ever happened to the junk food industry we'd have murder rates skyrocket.

@ViciDraco I don't understand why so many people think the only other option besides fat acceptance is fat shaming or fat bullying. It's not an either/or thing.

Back when I was a kid, there were these cartoon shorts on Saturday morning TV (yes, I know Saturday morning cartoons aren't a big deal anymore in this age of streaming) with nutritional tips and exercise ideas. I didn't actually follow them, because nobody made me, but still. The videos were well made, and they didn't talk down to kids or make them feel bad.

Here's a couple of good ideas they promoted for healthier snacks:
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And this one warns against eating when you're bored, suggesting the radical idea of going and playing outside instead.
[media=https://youtu.be/Rb_q9B3NpOY]

@LordShadowfire the fear industry has people afraid to let their kids go outside these days as well.

The original message seems to make the claim that fat acceptance is bad. The logical conclusion is that if fat is unacceptable it is shameful. I'm simply trying to direct the conversation towards blaming sources not people and to promoting steps that make people healthier regardless of weight.

There are fat people out there that are actually fairly healthy. The problem usually isn't the fat itself but the lifestyle that leads to the fat. A lot of skinny people suffer the same diseases and complications, catching people off guard. Their genetic predisposition towards being thin makes people confuse it with being healthy, but eating poorly and not exercising is still hurting them even if they are not putting on pounds.

@ViciDraco It would be shaming if I made fun of a person for being fat but arguing against their logic isn't shaming because any ideas can be criticized. You haven't been in the fat acceptance movement to see what they say and doctors haven't been in on it but there's even a few fat activists doctors who go to the extreme of literally saying that obesity doesn't cause any issues.

@Fishy Coca Cola has it's own science division, I said that awhile ago and people kind of laughed but I was serious, they literally have their own scientists. I remember reading about shady things they were doing in regards to public policy on sugar and the like. So I know exactly what you're talking about. It should be illegal.

@SatanBurger It's not just Coca Cola but also many brands of chips too

but yeah, the hard part is that a lot of these people think they're eating a healthy weight loss diet because they're eating "organic" or "natural ingredients" but don't realise the calorie/sugar/fat content

therefore they think they're doing all the right things but still aren't losing weight
its understandable that some people get upset when others just tell them to do the things they think they're already doing

its not that they aren't trying hard enough, they're just trying at the wrong things 😔

@Magenta True but it's hard to get a kid healthy once they get a taste of junk. These parents get reliant on those foods and then it just becomes habit.

I also play video games though lol.

@SatanBurger Yes, and habits are hard to break.
Ha, so do I, in my adult life. 😁

@IloveLucy I had a thought a while back. A generator that's powered by an exercise bike, into which is plugged the child's favorite video game system.

Go do 25 pushups, right now@LordShadowfire

@LordShadowfire Haha that's not a bad idea though lol, charge up your game system but you have to work out to charge it.

@LordShadowfire Honestly have no idea, they don't see it. We see it in the health care industry as well. Family comes in and then wonders why their health numbers are all screwy, it has to be explained to them and then they're surprised. They get home and the whole thing happens over again lol.

@LordShadowfire My thoughts exactly

@Scribbles It's just excuses, it's likely the parents had that lifestyle and used the same excuses before they even had kids lol. Cooking, cleaning and learning to manage time are learned skills, if you didn't learn those skills before you had kids, it's far more likely to effect you while you have kids as well.

@SatanBurger True. I agree.