The Effect Fat Acceptance Is Having On Kids

@Graylight The documentary is called Junk Food Kids and it had nothing to do with the fat acceptance movement but the movement has been instrumental in normalizing obesity with "health at every size." To the point that learning about obesity is shunned in public, they've also now used obese models on magazines (I'm not just talking about larger framed women with the Jordan Peterson incident, I'm talking about 500 pound girls.) I also didn't call it the fat acceptance movement, this is the name given it by fat activists (also what they call themselves.) It used to be the body positivity movement which was originally about things you can't change like being born with a larger or petit frame, disabilities, or other things, obesity acceptance wasn't part of it. Then in came fat activists who took it over and said that they were apart of the body positivity movement, now it's devolved into other things.

I used to work in health care and I can tell you from first hand experience that most people don't actually know the effects of obesity on children. Literally, they are super ignorant about it and we need to stop normalizing obesity and also being vastly underweight.


The stats on obesity in Western countries say otherwise. I don't know where you're from but when I see mothers shopping for their kids, I usually find about five cases of pop, a lot of chips, some frozen dinners and chocolate. I know this isn't just a minority.

The story of fatdoctor: ...fat activist doctor who says they don't care if they get heart disease, she also claims that obesity isn't real.

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My 315lb Life + Why The Fat Acceptance Movement Kinda Sucks

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@SatanBurger "Normalizing obesity" is code for "I can't stand seeing all these fat people." What fat acceptance is about is not stigmatizing fat people, ensuring that they receive proper medical care, and that anti-fat bias in society is countered. In other words, allowing fat people to just exist instead of judging them based on their size or how hard they're trying to lose weight. But like anything else, equality feels like oppression.

@LeopoldBloom Anything you say in public can be criticized and just because it's criticized doesn't mean the person is doing that to create harm. Likewise, a criticism may be offensive and mean on purpose but I don't think this is what's going on.

Fat activists live in a fairy tale world, you want us to go along with health at every size and do like the fatdoctorUK (a name they gave themselves whose literally a doctor,) says in a video I shared in a comment above that being obese doesn't lead to heart attacks, stroke, diabetes, or massive inflammation. When we don't go along with what you say, it's much easier to say we hate you.

If you fat activists just accepted that your body CHOICES was going to lead to things and just accepted it, you'd have a point. Then if there was criticism, I'd say let live, people aren't hurting others. But they're not doing that, you're spreading that around like they're facts and sorry but every medical establishment disagrees except maybe fatdoctorUK.

@SatanBurger I'm talking about fat people going to the doctor and their non-fat related complaints being ignored or blamed on their weight. If you're not aware of this, you haven't encountered it. You're also ignoring the fact that 95% of people who attempt to lose weight without surgery fail long-term. This fact is also suppressed by the multi-billion dollar diet industry. You're not doing anything groundbreaking by falling back on the old "if someone is fat it's their own fault" and "calories in, calories out" that have been debunked by current research. Before saying "fat is automatically unhealthy," you need to do a regression analysis to take things like anti-fat medical bias and iatrophobia (fat people not going to the doctor because they expect to be yelled at) into account.

Obviously anyone can be criticized for anything, but when people push back on age-old criticism and are told to shut up, all that does is defend the same bigotry people have been dealing with since forever. It reminds me of racists gleefully pointing out the higher crime rate in the Black community or misogynists saying women deserve lower pay than men because they pick lower-paying jobs.

@LeopoldBloom
Well I'm not going to say I know better than a doctor but there's lots of cases that are exasperated by being overweight.


I have, I just don't take offense and think the doctor is saying something mean when it may be true. If my condition could be helped by exploring diets and different types of exercise, I probably wouldn't just flail my arms about in defiance saying "nu uh, you're just a meanie" and then ignore my doctor until I had congestive heart failure. Then blame it on the medical system for not changing the fact that being obese still causes a lot of diseases and inflammation.

It could be that the doctor is an untimely quack, I mean our medical system does suck so it wouldn't surprise me in the least if they were incorrect. What I'm saying is though, if most people don't try, you simply have nothing to compare it to so it's a moot point. We can't say they were incorrect nor correct, it's not even a thing.


I didn't say it was their fault, I do believe I told you above that saying things like "healthy at every size" is outright false and explained about what fat activists were saying. This post is about the fat acceptance movement's lies as well as the video I posted. This doesn't equate to "it's someone's fault they're fat." Certainly there are things like depression and other things in life that leads one to be that way.


I can't ignore an opinion. I tried searching that 95% of people need surgery in order to lose weight or they fail but didn't find anything. My apologies if this wasn't an opinion but I'll need a link.


Actually fat is very healthy for you, you need it for your brain. I'm not talking about fat, I'm talking about obesity. Obesity IS unhealthy.

https://www.health.harvard.edu/mens-health/obesity-unhealthy-and-unmanly


Criticizing the fat acceptance communities skewing of medical science is not even close to racism.

@SatanBurger I didn't say 95% of people who lose weight do so surgically; I said of the people who attempt to lose weight non-surgically, 95% fail long-term. I don't have the statistics from surgical weight loss, however, that's not a panacea either.

https://slate.com/technology/2015/03/diets-do-not-work-the-thin-evidence-that-losing-weight-makes-you-healthier.html#:~:text=In%20reality%2C%2097%20percent%20of,and%20downright%20deceptive%20at%20worst.

What I'm attempting to counter is the assumption that limiting food intake automatically results in weight loss, that obesity is universally unhealthy, and the only reason anyone is fat is because they choose to be.

I didn't say anti-fat bias is identical to racism, but there are certain similarities, notably, repeating biased or debunked statistics as a counter to more recent pushbacks by marginalized communities demanding equal treatment.

@LeopoldBloom
You're right but I never said that you eat less and automatically lose weight, diet is actually about 70% of it but the other percent is movement. I don't think I said anything otherwise.


Obesity has been correlated with widespread inflammation and inflammation is a big predicator of disease. It's also been found that you tend to gain weight if your body is inflamed which leads to metabolic disorders.

https://www.endocrineweb.com/obesity-inflammation-cycle

It is universally unhealthy, take Sumos for example. Sumos are on an incredibly healthy diet of chanko nabe... about 5,000 calories of it a day and fasting. They then sleep to keep their weight on after they eat and also exercise for at least two to three hours per day. Despite this, when Sumos retire they run into the trouble of dying early and having heart attacks because of their weight.

There was a Sumo who lost all his weight because otherwise he would have died early, he's now made it his mission to help others do so too. If obesity wasn't universally unhealthy, this wouldn't happen to Sumo wrestlers, they'd be perfectly fine despite eating very healthy.


I've seen some fat activists using the excuse that they can't lose weight because of genetics but if you look at their diet and lifestyle patterns, they do choose to be that way because they don't even try. I once looked it up and aside from very rare conditions which don't affect the general population, it's kind of a myth that if you have "fat" genes you can't lose weight at all. Genes don't make you fat aside if you have a legit disorder like the disorder where your limbs grow.

If you check out myth 5 about genetics, it explains it in detail:

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/jan/05/truth-obesity-five-fat-myths-debunked



Anti fat bias lol, I could see if people were being discriminate against fat people like excluding them from activities or calling them names. But you apparently see facts as "anti fat bias" whereas I see these as literal facts. Are some people biased? Probably but there's a large difference here.

@SatanBurger When a fat person goes to the doctor with a non-fat related issue and doesn't get treatment because everything is attributed to their weight, that's anti-fat bias.

And fat people are discriminated against in other areas. My point is that the automatic assumption of "fat is unhealthy" is unwarranted. Not every fat person is 600 pounds. There may not be any drawbacks at all for some people to be 30 or 40 pounds over the actuarial table. And I'm aware that there are factors other than genetics involved.

Anyway, you asked for a link and I provided one.

@LeopoldBloom
So I looked into it further and it turns out that statistic was from a study done in 1959 to which the authors came out and debunked their own study.


https://abbylangernutrition.com/learning-curve-do-95-of-people-who-lose-weight-really-gain-it-back/

They took 100 people and then gave them random diets and set them on their way. I also found that (included in the link above) in these studies (there's more of them) they were intentionally put on very low calorie, low fat diets or servings of 6 plus grains a day which to people who are insulin resistant, wouldn't do them any good. We've obviously grown since the 1960s so it's basically because of crash dieting.


Here's a crazy idea, the doctor could be right. I'd have to know each person's specific story in order to make a judgement. I just can't sit here and say they're incorrect because I'd have to observe how a person eats, their lifestyle choices and other things. I know people who still don't believe B12 is even a thing, even while going to the hospital for being deficient in B12 and showing neurodegenerative issues.


It's not unwarranted, I gave a link as to how obesity is directly related to inflammation. I have yet to find any link countering that evidence. Good types of fat from food in by itself is great but we're talking about obesity. I'm not demonizing fat.


Yeah but we're talking about specifically obesity here, not just larger skeletal structures.