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Kwek00 · 41-45, M
@GerOttman Don't fool yourself, "pathetic" really isn't so difficult to grasp.
MethDozer · M
@GerOttman Yes, leeches.
Kwek00 · 41-45, M
@MethDozer It's by definition... I think the problem is, that our "Just buy a house"-guy with workboots who works for a living and knows better... doesn't know what "rent seeking" is, and thus doesn't know better.

Penny · 46-50, F
Because id trust a man who wanted to earn my money before id trust the government to look out for my best interests. And besides that the fat cats would still exist but then wed lose our ability to make our own money or acquire our own material wants as we want. Like wed have to just live on whatever the government gave us. Theyd be the new fat cats with a million times the power.
@Penny But the man who wants your money is just as likely, if not more so, to be a crook trying to swindle you.
Penny · 46-50, F
@DLight yeah but itd be youre own money to do with as you please and there are prolly just as many honest caring businessman than crooks
Rabbit420 · 70-79, M
@Penny What color is the sky on your planet because you sure as hell don't live on the same Earth that I do???

Burnley123 · 41-45, M
I love the sentiment of this post and agree with it.

I would define socialism is the collective ownership of the economy bully workers, not bosses. It's a theory of power as well as a theory of government.
anythingoes477 · 31-35, M
@kodiac What's funny is Biden did sell off ALL of the stuff that was supposed to build the wall and you all know that..... but somehow you all missed the fact that trump backcharged taxpayers a billion dollars for using the same stuff that was gone because Biden sold it.... to supposedly finish building his wall....... somehow with no materials....... and then he charged taxpayers almost a billion bucks because he said he finished building it. Problem is.... where he said he finished it.... there is no wall. So now no wall..... and no money. Gosh i wonder where that billion dollars went???.
kodiac · 26-30, M
Socialism works great untill they run out of other people's money to give to everyone else
kodiac · 26-30, M
@anythingoes477 Funny you bring up the wall Biden/ obama sold the materials for the wall for pennies on the dollar ,hunter biden made millions by selling his fathers signature to the higest bidder. But then again I'm uneducated so what do i know?
anythingoes477 · 31-35, M
@kodiac "Yup"??? 🤣😂🤣 So much for trying to make your point, huh?
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It sounds like socialism- as imagined by dreamy utopians and promulgated by would-be tyrants like Mamdami.
@LamontCranston Mamdani, the mayor of New York? You think HE is a "tyrant"? 😳
Are you out of your mind?
@DLight First question: No.
Second question: Give him time.
Ontheroad · M
All one need do is look to the several successful social democracies - for example Canada, Denmark, New Zeeland, Norway, Sweden and Germany. And they blend into their social democracies, capitalism, but capitalism balance by the government ensuring society is taken care of.
Prison1203 · 61-69, M
In case you missed it, there’s no such thing as free when it comes to government, you pay for everything that you feel is free, by paying higher taxes
Convivial · 26-30, F
@Prison1203 of course you do... But a more secure life, especially when you age
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@Convivial We know, folks are incapable of taking care of themselves, big daddy gubberment must take care of them
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Ontheroad · M
They both do and don't and they don't because they are self-centered and care about themselves over any and everything else.

Also, because those in power fear losing their jobs.

Socialism is a political and economic theory advocating collective ownership of the means of production and equitable distribution of wealth to promote social and economic equality.

Core Principles:

Collective Ownership: Socialism emphasizes that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or controlled collectively, whether by the state, communities, cooperatives, or workers themselves, rather than by private individuals


Wealth Redistribution: Socialists advocate for reducing economic inequality through mechanisms such as progressive taxation, social welfare programs, or universal basic services, ensuring that resources benefit all members of society

Social Welfare and Labor Rights: Socialism prioritizes access to essential services like healthcare, education, housing, and childcare, alongside fair labor practices, including safe working conditions, fair wages, and job security

Democracy and Participation: While some socialist systems centralize planning, the theory often supports citizen participation in decision-making processes, reflecting the collective interest


International Cooperation: Socialism encourages peaceful collaboration among nations and opposes exploitative competition, emphasizing global solidarity.

Bottom line is that socialism can be what is best for all, but it is called communism by those who want only what is best for them.
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@Ontheroad Working out grand in cubar, eh
Ontheroad · M
@sunsporter1649 thanks for proving what I said.
anythingoes477 · 31-35, M
@Ontheroad Socialism is called Communism by those that have no idea what socialism is. They think any two words that end with "ism" are interchangeable. Socialism..... Marxism.... Communism.... don't matter.... they all end with "ism"
Rabbit420 · 70-79, M
The biggest disadvantage these days is that all these people are making claims about Socialism without even knowing what it really is. They used to teach a subject called CIVICS back when I was in school which taught you about government and it's different forms. These days people are just "parroting" the lies, myths and propaganda that they've been fed by all the anti socialist groups. These days most people don't even know the 3 branches of government and what the duties of those branches are!!!!
@Rabbit420 I wish we would have had that when I went to school. I've seen it mentioned in old movies. All information is unavailable in school and any lack of acceptance of the majority viewpoint is punished.
MethDozer · M
Socialism isn't "free stuff ". Its collective worker ownership of production and resources
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@MethDozer A camel is a horse designed by a committee, which is what you get with yoiur bullschiff pie in the sky.
@MethDozer @MethDozer this is a drug-induced idea of worker ownership. Mamdani like, even.
MethDozer · M
@LamontCranston We'll get pie in the sky.......... That's a lie!
Because for 70 years people in the west were brain washed for the cold war.

It is why so many think healthcare is communist, Gorby was a capitalist, Boris Yeltsin was a Slavic Abe Lincoln, yet Vladimir Putin runs the CCCP .

Western education is a joke.
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow But it's true, healthcare is communist. Hate communism, gahead, all together, now! Your community doesn't count.
AthrillatheHunt · 56-60, M
Can you blame us ? Half our politicians can’t explain what a woman is . Seems like a way more basic concept than socialism.
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AthrillatheHunt · 56-60, M
@Roundandroundwego only a matter of time before self deletion is like rec weed where any adult can do it
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
There's some people who can't or don't want anything good for other people. A lot of the pull yourself up by your bootstraps crowd have mind sets that are unique to only them. Many have authoritarian traits and socialism or even just basic welfare doesn't match those goals since they often see power in a very stereotypically billionaire narcissist kind of way.

Even if they are not, they admire traits because of what they think gets them ahead in life even if they are poor and blame not finding jobs on immigrants instead of working on bettering themselves.
@SatanBurger I am a bit of a nerd but it is fascinating to me how the meaning of language can change alot over time.
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow I'm a double nerd for that too lol
Ontheroad · M
@SatanBurger and they are the same ones who loudly and proudly claim they are patriots. They wouldn't know patriotic if it bit them.
It’s the thin velvet glove covering the iron fist of communism
@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout 🙄 🙄 🙄 😂 🤣
Surely you jest.
Munumbis · 46-50, M
@DLight Bullshit he's telling you the truth.
@Munumbis Yeah, nah! What he wrote looks to me like something that had been dreamt up at CIA headquarters for display on car bumper-stickers.
JimboSaturn · 56-60, M
No they don't. They are brainwashed and ignorant.
Convivial · 26-30, F
From an external point of view I think many Americans conflate socialism and communism... And the government, media and church certainly cruelled any chance of a rational debate during the 50d and 60s...
Waveney · M
No. But Americans have been programmed to believe that Socialism is essentially the beginning of the Rapture. Americans could be shown conclusive proof that Trump and Epstein raped underage girls on Epstein island, and they would still prefer him over someone who claimed to be a Socialist.
@anythingoes477 Are you a "running dog" of Waveney?
anythingoes477 · 31-35, M
@LamontCranston Don't know him but I know if we both could read what we both did and you can't understand any of it....... you're not the sharpest knife in the drawer.
@anythingoes477 Don't cut yourself, sharpie. Be careful.
anythingoes477 · 31-35, M
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anythingoes477 · 31-35, M
@GerOttman Socialism never had "free" attached to it. It public use of income tax money that we all contribute too. Floridians never pay taxes to clean snow off their roads... but people in Minnesota gets benefit from those tax dollars Someone 20 wont draw SS or Medicare for 45 more years but their tax dollars make sure you can get both. It all averages out.
anythingoes477 · 31-35, M
@GerOttman What do you pay for new roads out of your pocket? Did you pay to dig the wells, lay the water lines and maintain your water system? What little you pay in taxes that goes to every thing u take for granted is the same as "free" It takes $20k plus to dig a well..... and maybe u pay $50 every month for a water bill. You're not being fleeced. You are way far into me... me... me... and not thinking. At ur age you are collecting Social Security $$$$ every month that 20 year olds are paying into to keep u fed.... and well.....and they can't benefit from that for 45 more years. It all averages out.
GerOttman · 70-79, M
@anythingoes477 I pay tax on every gallon of gas that goes to road maintenance. I've paid into the SSN ponzi scheme for well over 40 years, I better get some of it back..

What "little I pay in taxes..."?? Did you jusy say that out loud? Holy sh1t...
@Nimbus yes, most immigrants were rabidly pro capitalism. They escaped socialism on purpose.
@Nimbus 🙄
@Waveney You have added acute logorrhea to incoherence. (pathologically excessive and often incoherent talkativeness or wordiness that is characteristic especially of the manic phase of bipolar disorder)
Please get medical help.
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@Waveney LOL, another rich capitalist postulating behind socialism, what a load of bullschiff
Waveney · M
@sunsporter1649 oh dear...
@Waveney You have the delusion of intelligence.
Gibbon · 70-79, M
You just cut your approaches legs off. It is not the government responsibility to provide health care.
Everything you laid is government control of the masses. Yes that is indeed socialism and if you believe that's a good thing you need your head examined
@Gibbon Well, actually, affordable health care IS the government's responsibility (among other things of course). Would you rather have a health system that is profit-driven, like in the US? I know I wouldn't.
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@DLight Who pays for all this free health care?
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Munumbis · 46-50, M
The governments job is to keep order and provide defense. Not wipe your butt for you.
Munumbis · 46-50, M
@sunsporter1649 The most mind boggling thing is to watch the leftists be beaten robbed raped set on fire and murdered by people like that and still defend them. What kind of crazy are they?
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
Munumbis · 46-50, M
@sunsporter1649 Same. That and the fact that our country isn't just made of rocks and dirt. It's made out of us our culture our history. These people are not us. They don't care about our country in the slightest. They're scavengers here to get what they can.
Jackaloftheazuresand · 31-35, M
because nobody is equipped to actually get the desired result. Get your fingers out of the pie control freak

 
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