What could and should have been

@Notanymore yes, but capitalism puts a ceiling on everyone's potential. The master scientist, engineer or architect is related to wage labour. Meanwhile those that get the highest share of wealth do it on the backs of others sweat and blood. I'm all for making as much money by your own hands, but by your own hands, not the labour of others.

@Notanymore too much "contribution" from work is killing the planet. It's a higher level of tech than we need already for a post work society.

@Roundandroundwego too much reliance on foreign entities manufacturing what we can make here with our regulations is killing the planet. Too many of the rich and elite....and celebrities flying the sky's in private jets is killing our planet. If we bring manufacturing here....and do our responsibility of making it as clean as possible we'll be in better shape than ever.

@MasterLee They would probably go to Europe if they could.
You treat them so well thinking of the human trafficker Ron DeSantis.

@Gloomy [quote]Incredible wealth for a minority and bad healthcare and no social security for the masses. Your American Dream and the propaganda that the US are the greatest country has rotten away a long time ago.[/quote]

Capitalism leads to a large middle class toots. Does the communism in Cuba? Why no. I mean your communist haven is about 90 miles south of Miami. Why not movr there?
Bad health care? LMFAO! Here, let me help you. It isn't bad. You don't like it because you have to pay for it. There is no finer health care system than in the US. Expensive? Yes. Are you that naive that you think healthcare everywhere else is free? Hell no...it's just heavily subsidized with tax dollars. Someone is paying. Maybe not you and perhaps that's what you like about it.
As for social security...you know what a ponzi scheme is, right? That's the US social security system. Old people will get paid as long as there are enough young people working.

The American dream is still alive and well, but certainly is threated by the Marxists f***ing up the country.

Give us an example where commumism has been a success? Russia? China? Gosh...they've abandoned it economically. I wonder why. Hmmm...how about Cuba or North Korea? Tell us about the thriving middle class, their wonderful healthcare and social security systems.

The root of all socialism and communism is pure greed. It's all about other people's money.

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@LamontCranston The comment was spot on

@Gloomy You would think so, Ms Gloomy.

@LamontCranston I am sorry facts hurt your feelings.

@LamontCranston You started that tone. I guess you can dish it but can't take it.

Your comment initial was gratuitous, incoherent and rather stupid. There is no point in trying to reason with jerks like you. So please accept the block .

@Gloomy any man worth a shit doesn't care if a other man cops an emote, and it's kinda cunny to be bringing up feels like a 2 bit psychic

@SteelHands I have no idea what you are on about...
What other man? What has worth to do with anything?

Not possible to teach someone what thinks already knows

@Gloomy no the ideas are odious

and they do not work.

@revenant Nazis said cultural Marxism. It's not real.

@Roundandroundwego of course , it is only a figment of the imagination.

@LeopoldBloom Access to "free" healthcare, guranteed employment for many citizens, the governments emphasis on collectivism and communal living leading to a strong sense of community and social cohesion. Central city planning solving the housing crisis and aiming to create communal living spaces, it at least abolished certain class hierarchies,smaller salary gaps between workers and managers, womens rights were better at the time than in the west, the government heavily invested in science, education and culture, ....

In those regards it was better and I believe in supression of religion. It should be a private thing and central planning is preferable in many regards but should be decentralised.

@Gloomy The USSR was also hopelessly corrupt and its suppression of free speech stifled development and contributed to a massive carceral system, famines, and widespread contempt for the state. While Soviet-style communism definitely had some benefits, overall the system was unsustainable. Gorbachev recognized this, and the perestroika and glasnost programs were intended to counter some of these problems. It was of course too little, too late, and after oligarchs captured most of the country's wealth in the 1990s, we're left with the current dictatorship under Putin.

The Chinese seem to have managed the transition from a centrally planned economy to one that takes advantage of the creativity encouraged in a capitalist system. However, their heavy investment in manufacturing requires the rest of the world to serve as customers, and their system is built on endless expansion, same as ours is. China is currently attempting to colonize Latin America and Africa by financing development in those places in return for what amounts to debt peonage.

The European system of democratic socialism (letting the private sector handle production while the government provides a robust welfare state) seems to be working for them, at least at the moment. I'd like to see more places try something like the communalism and radical feminism currently being attempted in Rojava. It will be interesting to see what happens there if the Syrians and Turks back off.

@Roundandroundwego Putin bootlicker. Your other comments are soviet garbage as well.

@ViciDraco communism is democracy in the economy. Of course you can't imagine it. Owners rule! Always, in Murka.

@Roundandroundwego I can imagine the end result. The path to get there is the difficult one. The path is where others have failed before.

@ViciDraco democracy in the workplace and in the economic system would start with the expectation that we can make that the rules and that we should. America is in a position to kill everything instead. Military might killed democracy. The planet will die. Sorry you won.