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chip43 · 56-60, M
What if everyone riding the NYC Subway (4.2M everyday) was carrying a gun on any given day? EVERY single person from young adults to businessmen to Grandma's all carrying a gun in their briefcase, their handbags, their backpacks ? (No such movie yet) You got to wonder who would make it out alive. If you think THAT makes no sense, then civilians carrying guns NEVER makes sense.
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@chip43 You are on the right track. Arming everyone, or even lots of people, is a very, very bad idea, and will only lead to greater carnage.
@chip43 That's exactly what the Police will do.
@chip43 Texas is poised to remove one of its last gun restrictions despite widespread objections after lawmakers approved a bill that would allow people to carry handguns without a license, no background check and no training. The Police and 60% of the people do not want this law to go through.

1490wayb · 56-60, M
so more bullets flying around in a loud dark noisy club is safer??
with drunk people pulling the trigger??
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
@1490wayb There ya go, making logical sense. Haven't you learned that triggers gun nuts?
Northwest · M
@1490wayb
so more bullets flying around in a loud dark noisy club is safer??

Works at schools, around kids, just as well.
So we're over Miami, Saint Louis, and San Antonio already. They got about 48hrs worth of thoughts and prayers. Good thing everyone gets to carry in Texas now. The Police won't be afraid anymore with all those "Good Guys" out there.
ninalanyon · 61-69, T
@Pitchblue What is the opinion of police officers on gun control, open carry, background checks, etc.?
@ninalanyon The Police don't ask questions anymore as soon as they see a gun they will shoot to kill. Good Guy Bad Guy it won't make any difference. Good Guy with a gun gets killed by Police, it won't make any difference because the Police have qualified immunity. It won't even make them think twice the next time they kill a Good Guy. Every 21 year old kid with no criminal record will be sporting a handgun, no registration, no training.
yeah i guess chicago with its gun free zone is really working out well.
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windinhishair · 61-69, M
@undetermined Plenty of people disagree with me, and that's good and healthy to discuss differences. You refuse to discuss anything else other than Chicago, as if that is somehow relevant to murders in Miami. Good riddance to you.
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pianoplayingsteve · 31-35, M
@windinhishair Sorry no. I literally watch the things being said directly from the left leaning universities, left leaning youtubers and left leaning outlets. and it is absolutely disgusting. I dont need some white supremacist to edit 5 seconds of something and add their own context, i literally just watch it straight from the original source and it's so despicable it puts me off going to the US.

And of course it got worse when Trump got into office, that isn't who the left wanted in power so the people I described starting ramping up their insanity. And because it's all your major media outlets doing it, to the rest of the world you look insane. And trust me, it's not "the right", it's the crap coming from the left in which every thing is apparently racist and sexist and if one more person does the "ok" hand sign Hitler will reincarnate. And its also the fact that many refuse to address that and fix it that it continues to infest it. such people are intentionally destroying the country and it's insane that people actually think the left can do no wrong. I really recommend to look up the cultural revolution in china and their struggle sessions with "han supremacy" and compare it to your riots if you want to see what I mean. On every level,be it a present day look at your politics, be it comparing what is happening now to other cultures, this insistence of "everything is the fault of the right, the only evil ever is white supremacy, there is never an issue with the left" is going to seriously destroy your country. No one party has all the answers. No one party is as cartoonishly evil as some like to pretend. Life is complicated and humans have a tendency to make things so black and white that it's cult like, to deal with the complexity. Yet you will never self reflect, just keep blaming your far right bogey man for everything and ignore history and current reality, the US will turn out great I'm sure. It's a symptom of our hedonistic, stupid age: "it's always someone else's fault, if we can just defeat this one last bad group we can have a utopia". I've lost count of how many historians have pointed out how hopelessly out of touch with history we are, if we weren't, you wouldn't be saying what you were saying. Look up Mao's struggle sessions, look up Gramsci who decades ago was talking about pushing for a cultural attitude in which anything on the right no matter how peaceful should be treated with extreme hostility, and anything on the left no matter how violent should be supported and then look at the riots of last year and honestly ask yourself why you immediately go to "but it's always the right!" And if you haven't fallen victim to this ideological possession, feel free to tell me some points in which you disagree with the left on, I'm sure you can, you are honest and rational and know that no one group has all th answers. And now for me it is bedtime.
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@pianoplayingsteve OK. I get that you choose not to believe the people who actually live in the US and who have responsibility for domestic security. You obviously know more than Americans do about their own country. That report was written under a Trump Administration, and in fact was delayed in being issued because Trump didn't like the conclusions, so they added verbiage about left wing sources of violence that were not believed to be as big of a problem, just to placate Trump.

I'm very aware of what is happening in China. My daughter in law is Chinese and her parents still live in Szechuan Province. I've spoken to them extensively. My son worked in China for a few years where he met his wife, in one of the Uigher areas.

I go where the facts lead, and the facts lead to right-wing violence as the biggest domestic threat we face. It has been that way for years. That doesn't mean there isn't left wing violence and non-partisan sources of violence. But it would be a travesty not to go where the facts lead. I don't support violence for any cause, right, left, or neutral. I condemn it all.

If you are that indoctrinated before you come to the US, you should probably stay in the UK and not visit. You wouldn't enjoy it.
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I just saw the news about the shooting in Miami. The spokesman commented on the situation regarding the known facts about the shooters, the weapons used and the fatalities and injuries.
Reading the responses on this thread my input relates to other aspects which IMO foster, embolden and enable this gun violence.
Our criminal justice system is under attack, and is either reluctant to or can’t stop this. There is the mentality of “Defund the police”, and IMO the “persecution” and the (no pun intended) , “ hand cuffing” of law enforcement which has many negative effects on our law enforcement throughout this nation, and their ability, and yes willingness to do the job of policing.
Another factor such in NY state and NYC you have the no cash bail law. With the exception of a very few criminal acts, most offenders arrested are back on the street within hours, many with long rap sheets and many with previous arrests for guns and their use in the commission of crimes. And in NYC crime is up considerably.
Government all levels in this country have to be willing to make hard, yes, unpopular decisions and take actions that will start to reduce gun violence in America. They are for whatever reasons reluctant to and failing to do anything.
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@soar2newhighs The ready availability of weapons of mass killing is also a major factor. Additional gun control is a must.
pianoplayingsteve · 31-35, M
@windinhishair It is my view that countless governments, when they have access to guns, turn those guns on their population. I think it's a symptom of our hedonistic modern society of wanting to shirk all responsibility and thinking to the government that we think that all these bad groups, governments and corporations that have done unspeakable things to their citizens, just don't do those things anymore. The idea that governments just don't do that sort of thing anymore is based on nothing, it's believed because it's comfortable. And it's also doubly strange that many people who claim that the country is some evil patriarchy that oppressed the whole world then suddenly want to give up every freedom to that same state and push to disarm citizens when apparently police are just shooting everyone because they are a racist and power hungry. Either you think we dont need to worry about an oppressive government and dont need guns, or you think police are going around and shooting people at will based on personal prejudices. Those two contradict you can't have both. Yet people are somehow able to hold two contradicting views in their head with politics all the time, it's become like a religion.
spjennifer · 61-69, T
I'm certain that the Republicans are sending their "Thoughts and prayers" to the victims and their families... 😪
pianoplayingsteve · 31-35, M
@spjennifer Your point being?
SmartKat · 61-69, F
I’ve just about given up on the U.S.
pianoplayingsteve · 31-35, M
@SmartKat Me too, it's 1. so big so there will be chaos 2. it's freedoms have been used by people to then take them away 3. their media wants to make every single thing some sort of ism or phobe issue
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
@pianoplayingsteve I suppose you would prefer to ignore racism, sexism, homophobia, and so forth? A return to the '60s?
pianoplayingsteve · 31-35, M
@LordShadowfire What I'd prefer is an answer to my question.
Didn't the wild west have this exact scenario? Everyone had a gun? I never hear that being mentioned. So yes we have experimented with arming everyone before. Didn't seem to make anyone any safer.
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@canusernamebemyusername The Wild West was so-called for a reason. And no, guns didn't make everyone safer. But now we have Republican thoughts and prayers to make it all better.
Northwest · M
Thoughts and prayers. Amen.
jimjim1969 · M
This country is sick
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@jimjim1969 Sadly, you are correct.
I seriously think that the democrats have something to do with this shit because when Trump was president there were no mass shootings at all.
If my country leaves terrorism on purpose just so the president stays in power I don't see why yours wouldn't. Governments are so fucked up and they would do such things.
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@LordShadowfire Sometimes unintended consequences can be good coming from a bad situation. Flu cases and deaths were way down this year due to the masks and social distancing.
@PiecingBabyFaceTogether Under Trump within 24 hours of each other, two of the worst mass shootings took place in modern US history.
@PiecingBabyFaceTogether For a Troll this is a great answer. Nice one.
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
I wouldn't worry. The NRA is going bankrupt, so they won't be able to buy as many politicians this year.
pianoplayingsteve · 31-35, M
@windinhishair I have no idea how to get police reports.
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@pianoplayingsteve How do you know these things occurred as you have stated? What proof do you have? There must be some sort of documentation.
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
@pianoplayingsteve Yes, I too wish to see documentation.
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
Let's just give everybody nuclear bomb vests with a dead man's trigger. That way if somebody tries to shoot up a nightclub, it just blows up the entire country.
pianoplayingsteve · 31-35, M
@LordShadowfire But then no one will exist to slave away to produce tax money for the democrats.
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@LvChris Republican Politicians go to work for the Gun Lobbies every time one of these shootings happen. Sweep the dead people under the rug as quickly as possible. Not the time to talk about it, Good Guy with a gun, only the criminals will have guns, etc, etc.
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LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
See, @Pitchblue, how @LvChris resorts to blatant insults when he's got nothing?
pianoplayingsteve · 31-35, M
Really? Like every single Republican, as if they are all some sort of borg that think exactly the same thing, at the same time?

I think the issue is how broken America is. The talking heads and politicians are incredibly happy to lie, to divide the population, to emotionally manipulate and so on for short term gain, no matter the damage it does to individuals and communities.

Guns have been around for a long time now, and it's only VERY recently that these shootings are happening so frequently. I feel this is a more of a fracturing of society issue. We have similar social issues here in the UK, guns are banned, so instead we have an epidemic of stabbings, acid attacks, home made bombs, driving vehicles into people and buildings. But I dont want to ban vehicles or chemicals. I'd rather society becomes high trust again and more self sufficient. But then if they do, there won't be need for bigger government, more taxes, more invasion of privacies ad rights so instead the news blasts every day: "conflict! racism! ism! phobe! terrorism!" as the population divides more and more.

I'm sure you'll just disagree with all that without a second thought though. The world is a mess and the shootings are a symptom of that. Over here in the UK police have been seizing not just knives, but cutlery, and people are being arrested for opinions, we have a load of poverty, homelessness, untreated illness despite all the things some of your left wing politicians pretend you need to make everything sunshine and rainbows.
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
@pianoplayingsteve
I already asked you a question. So I'll restate it, if stating "republicans do x" does not mean referring to all republicans, then if someone on the far right says "muslims do x", do they not mean all muslims?
Look. People join groups because they like the way the group thinks. That's why it's called groupthink. But that doesn't necessarily mean that everybody in a group agrees 100% with what the group thinks.
pianoplayingsteve · 31-35, M
@LordShadowfire It's a simple question that I asked...
pianoplayingsteve · 31-35, M
@pianoplayingsteve " But that doesn't necessarily mean that everybody in a group agrees 100% with what the group thinks". Yes, exactly.

 
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