Honestly Bernie Sanders is the only one that deserves anything

@NativePortlander1970 “it allows all of the workers to own the factory and store and share in the profits, not just one individual that keeps everything, it keeps prices lower.”

This is the same as communism. Both seek to correct the perceived issues caused by a rich and poor divide in our society (I ask: what is society? Does it exist or is it only in our heads?) and that means both need government intrusion. How can you say we have more freedom and less government intrusion under socialism? Your government is reorganizing society, trying to change our paths in an unnatural way. It is an intervention. The more we intervene and mess with things, the less free we are.

@emiliya No, communism is statist, Socispism is We the People

@NativePortlander1970 So you're a socialist who supports empowering the capitalist class and excuses capitalist theft. Measures to soften it you're against.



Kind of the opposite. Communism is a stateless society goal of socialism. Socialism is the intermediate period between capitalism and communism where the capitalist mechanism of the state is used to distribute resources and enforce worker controlled means of production until a stateless "communist" society can be achieved.
That's the difference between anarchist and Marxist when discussing socialists. The anarchist sees the state as the antithesis of socialism and it's end goal of communism. That the state's very existence prevents any true socialist society and is merely a mechanism of capitalism, feudalism, and mercantilism. An unjustified hierarchy. By dissolving the state, socialis and ultimately communism can come to fruition. The Marxist ( usually identified as "communists") sees the state as a useful tool to enforce socialism until communism can be achieved. In both cases communism is a socialist society where the state has completely ceased to exist.

At the end of the day though both Marxist and anarchists ( the socialists) are all communist.

@hippyjoe1955 A rare agreement from me, BUT, Stalin would have sent Bernie to Siberia for refusing to work instead of kicking him out.

@NativePortlander1970 Stalin was never my cup of tea. He was evil incarnate. Sad that so many Americans were/are beguiled into believing the communist line.

@Frostcloud Oh, puhleeeeeze! 🙄

@sunsporter1649 Yes, because that's how immigration works. We all know that whenever someone immigrates to a country, someone in that country must share their house with them.

Bee tee dubs, I do disagree with Sanders on immigration. He didn't support that bill which would have closed the border. Guess that's one thing Sanders and Trump have in common.

@BohemianBabe How many illegal aliens does saunders have sharing his many mansions with him?

@sunsporter1649 I literally just said I disagree with his stance on immigration. Did I break you again?

@NativePortlander1970 How are you not a Nazbol?

@BohemianBabe Most people don't know what a nazbol is. It's kind of an ideology that exist only online by name.

@MethDozer I think that person knew, because they just blocked me. 😝

@hippyjoe1955 True Socialism is NOT about stealing from others, it is about everyone working together and pulling their own weight for the community, like the Amish

@NativePortlander1970 No it is all about stealing from others. That is why it always fails. It punishes the hard workers and rewards the slackers. Pretty soon everyone is a slacker. Humans aren't stupid.

@beckyromero Good thing our universities are producing such well-informed voters.

@hippyjoe1955
Facts. Simple FACTS.

U.S. manufacturing jobs began disappearing in the 1980s. NAFTA and GATT didn't help.

@beckyromero So you really hate the working people. How very elitist of you.

@BohemianBabe
The fact that you actually believe that socialism could ever work is even funnier and sadder.

@Bel6EQUJ5 Has there ever been a country that decommodified essential services, and had at least most businesses controlled by the workers?
There have been plenty of governments that used left-wing imagery, but we've yet to have an actual socialist country. However, the countries that have come the closest to Socialism are the ones with the highest living standards in the world.


You can't claim Socialism can't work until you can tell the difference between Socialism and Communism.

@SumKindaMunster how is his wife's court case going