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Should minimum wage be raised? Absolutely to what? $?$?$

I won't quote a dollar numbers. What I will say, is that it needs to be a single living wage.

Defined as enough for a teen out of high school to reasonably afford Rent of a 1 bedroom apartment, transportation, food, healthcare, education.

INDEPENDENT of mom and dad at the rate of 40 hours a week. 160 hours a month or less.

That's supposed to be the minimum. Not the top tier of the skilled pay scale. More skilled trades should be paying FAMILY LIVING WAGES. Which of Defined as a wage that is MODESTLY capable of SELF SUFFICIENTLY supporting a family of 4 at the rate of 160 work hours a month 40 hours a week.
The whole concept of minimum wage has fallen over on its side. The original idea behind minimum wage was to incentivize to business owners to hire young people (teenagers) so they could get some work experience. A win-win situation. It's been bastardized into a living wage so adults can set the bar low, and make a living flipping burgers. We should incentivize people to strive to do better, not pay more so they can settle for less.
@BizSuitStacy sooo tho it was started to make hojs for kids,, those jobs are now most often held by full on adults.. as the availability of living wage jobs has been decimated, by cost cutting and overseas removal.
what is YOUR SOLUTION to making American jobs pay enough to pay American bills.
we have gutted the manufacturing industries.. by shipping those jobs ab entire factories overseas

we have such a week economic base,, financial industries.. ( they pay better) service industries.. restaurants etc. retail? again Low wages..

I ask Seriously what do we do for the working people of America?
do you have any ideas?
@SatyrService First off, ask yourself what's going to happen by continually increasing the minimum wage? Cost of goods services get increase and people start looking for alternatives. Demand decreases. Businesses close. Businesses start replacing people with with automation.

Why do American corporations move offshore? To avoid taxes. Cut corporate taxes, repatriate these businesses and bring back jobs.

Grow the manufacturing sector, and adopt more of a buy American philosophy. We hardly manufacture anything. Too many people willing to buy products ftom China because they are cheaper.

Bring back shop and trades oriented classes in school. Not everyone is college bound, but high schools abandoned a lot of those programs in favor of AP classes.
trollslayer · 46-50, M
@BizSuitStacy +1 to the shop/trades classes.
Its15.00 in my state, and it's hurting small businesses with entry level positions and even 15.00 is not enough according to experts
an adult with no children would need to make $21.35 to support themselves in Massachusetts, according to MIT’s Living Wage Calculator. That number increases to $45.57 if that adult has a child.

Some people think a little sandwich shop can survive paying 21.35 or 45.57 per hour for a guy making sandwiches , they can't..McDonald's can figure it and some have, by eliminating jobs and going automated..

When I graduated High School I had roommates and two jobs, it's tough but not in my wildest dreams did I expect either one of those jobs to pay what is expected now, I was a high school graduate with entry level non skilled jobs.
@FreeSpirit1 Class of '89 myself, my first job after graduation was $5.00 an hour. Every friday night I'd deposit most of my check then hit McDonald's for my weekly qp w/cheese, medium fries and medium coca cola, $3.50 total, a year later the value combo meal was started, that same choice went to $2.99, the minimum wage was $3.35 an hour. Every time they raised the minimum that meal would go up to reflect the wages being paid, now after covid is nearly over, McDonald's still pays $15.50 an hour here to keep employees, and that same meal locally is $11.00 now. They will never care to understand how real world economics works.
Graylight · 51-55, F
The average cost of a home in the US in 1930 was $6,000. Should we still be paying that? In 1955, a new car cost $3,000. Is that price still justified? Fast food workers in 1976 made $2.30 an hour. And you think that's okay.

The average monthly rental for an apartment in the US is $1,702. Using the 30% rule for household expenses, a person has to make $60K before taxes to reach an apartment of $1,500 monthly. Right now, the average wage is $12 hr. $24.9K annually. If you believe data from Data USA, the median wage for fast food workers in 2022 was $3,299, $5 above the national poverty line.

Now, you assume incorrectly, despite knowing better, the demographics for fast food workers. Yes, counter service was intended to manned by kids who needed a little extra money. It wasn't a career wage for them. It could pay for a semester at a state school, though.

Now, 12 % of workers are 30-40 years. 51% are 20-30 years old. That represents 3,174,216 workers who are career-aged but can only find work at fast food restaurants. And 2/3 of those people are female.

Wages are on the rise, as regulated by the federal government. If you don't think slining food demands enough work to be paid fairly, you're free to make your own meals.
@Graylight a fine observation
"fair" has seemed to be dropped as a value
Graylight · 51-55, F
@SatyrService On all levels, in all domains. It makes you wonder if we're losing our right to share this planet.
@Graylight we are
it is the New feudalism
Canuckle · 51-55, M
Years ago - in the olden days - $10 an hour gave you basement suite, a junker but functional car, food, the ability to pay for a date out at least once a week, and still save a little money to buy a house. Minimum wage at the time was $4.50. So if we use the same ratio at todays prices the “living wage” would need to be about $30 / hr in order to potentially sustain society. Rental costs shouldn’t be 50-70 percent of a persons wage. Vehicles shouldn’t be 25-40% of a persons monthly wage. This is not sustainable. Either there needs to be a “living wage” or the economy needs to be blown up and a redo or concede that the 60-80 hour work week has returned. Or maybe just live with one’s folks until they retire.
Alabamarednek · 36-40, M
@Canuckle the problem we havr now is thay less then a dozen companies control every aspect of the true value of dollar who lowball and slide the value of a dollar in bad faith praying on less educated. I refuse to quote dollar numbers and will quote the equation 160 work hours a month to fit the cost of living into.

Not 320 work hours a month. Not 250 work hours a month with 80 overtime work hours. And it IS AFFORDABLE.
trollslayer · 46-50, M
My mom and another elder family member were commenting on a sign at a nearby fast food place how much they were paying per hour. Both of them remarked at the wage they earned at their first job, implying that the fast food place is paying too much, making their hamburgers too expensive. My mom and the other family member failed to recognize that the cost of living increase since then has far, far outpaced the wage increase.

My feeling is that any person working a 40 hour per week job with a few years' experience should be able to afford a cheap apartment, health care, and a reasonably priced used car. College education is not for everyone, nor is trade school. Our economy workers, and they need to know that working will allow them autonomy, otherwise they lose incentive. The problem is, in many parts of the USA, that is not happening now, and is only getting worse.

I don't know what the solution is. But raising minimum wage hasn't really solved the problem so far.
trollslayer · 46-50, M
@justanothername Well, that also includes the wages of the truck drivers and those that produce the ingredients, losses from natural disasters, cost of lawyers to protect against lawsuits...
@trollslayer Again. Your second paragraph is in error. See my comments. The world has changed vastly even in the past few years. This is about people surviving. All ages. All levels of education. Maybe not university or professionals, but the rest of the people. Average people.
justanothername · 51-55, M
@trollslayer Depends on the size of the company with regards to lawyers. Smaller companies only get legal help if or when they need it. Most can’t afford the luxury of on call lawyers.
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
Nobody should work a minimum wage job for more than a year . No one over age 25 should work a minimum wage job.
It’s like publicly admitting you ruined your life .
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@PoetryNEmotion stop projecting. I spoke the truth. Harsh ? Perhaps .
@AthrillatheHunt No. You are close minded. That may work for you. Adios.
Alabamarednek · 36-40, M
@AthrillatheHunt paying less then a SINGLE LIVING WAGE

Defined as a wage that an 18yo can MODESTLY SELF SUFFICIENTLY independent from mom or dad in urban cities on with food, shelter healthcare and transportation at the rate of 40 work hours a week 160 work hours a month 1,920 work hours a year is STEALING.

That is where minimum wage was always always meant to be from it's instatment by FDR, and IS AFFORDABLE.
I think this is a very reasonable idea!
to link wages to need, is very civil
to pay workers enough ton not have to worry is a proven value
if your work forces is not distracted, by trying to deal with enough to eat? enough to transport
or care for a family.
a fully compensated worker out performs a badly paid one
@SatyrService I know he is not intelligent to debate with, my friend. You are certainly an intelligent, knowledgeable person. Good night.
I would propose that all industries be unionized. That would allow workers to collectively bargain for the wages and benefits appropriate to their industry and geographic location. $20 an hour isn't a living wage in San Francisco, but you can live pretty well on that in rural Georgia. This is why the prevailing wages for government contract work are based on what the going rate is in each area. Without that, contractors in expensive areas like New York City would be outbid by contractors from elsewhere whose workers were willing to work for what they would earn back home.

Unionization would extend this benefit to everyone. The highest rate of unionization was in the 1940s, and has fallen since then, with a corresponding drop in real wages.
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Nitedoc · 51-55, M
Do you know who pays for the minimum wage increases? The end consumer, all of us.
Nitedoc · 51-55, M
@JSul3 Please reread my post. Working their out of poverty won't be possible for every single person but most of them can do it if they work towards it. The key to it is they have to take action. They have to do the work, the studying, the training, ect...
JSul3 · 70-79
@Nitedoc Raise the wage.
Nitedoc · 51-55, M
@JSul3 Don't count on it.
To a real living wage. I heard in Toronto it needs to be $24. 00 per hour. Course that is a large city. Still I would not work for less than $21 per hour. The price of gas is astronomical. Living costs!
Bumbles · 51-55, M
It should roughly keep up with inflation, but I don't agree with what is commonly called a "living wage."
Nitedoc · 51-55, M
@JSul3 Just give them another handout right!? That's your best idea? Working toward a better future is a concept that completely eludes you!
JSul3 · 70-79
@Nitedoc Where did I say handout?
Nitedoc · 51-55, M
@JSul3 quote: "then GIVE them a wage that" That's handout.
Raising wages just raises the price of everything because they have to recoup cost
Alabamarednek · 36-40, M
@SStarfish not if you the DOJ grows the courage to BREAK UP WALL STREET turning the fortune 500 into the fortune 5 million which will free up the market.

Living wages ARE AFFORDABLE. As is FAMILY LIVING WAGES.

Just breaking up Vanguard, Blackrock, Zillow and JP Morgan alone would have a rapid positive impact on the market.
Yes. I do not work for less than a certain amount. The cost of gas is insane. If people made a basic wage, they could live better. And give more money to seniors. Seems all the women pumping out babies get the big bucks. Over $2000 per kid. A month. More for others depending on their ages. I live in Ontario. Canada. I work full time til age 65. Or until my knees give out.
GerOttman · 61-69, M
The minimum wage should be eliminated. Private transaction should not be artificially controlled. It harms the very people it seeks to help. No one should be able to afford all that you state on a minimum wage alone.
Queendragonfly · 31-35, F
Just introduce base income instead.
JSul3 · 70-79
@Queendragonfly What amount would that base income amount be?
Queendragonfly · 31-35, F
@JSul3 similar to sick on leaves but a little more.
JSul3 · 70-79
@Queendragonfly Please provide a dollar amount.
JSul3 · 70-79
The cost of living varies by state/region.
Musicman · 61-69, MVIP
Evidently you have been sleeping the last few years. Business is never going to let you keep your raise. You could raise minimum wage to $1000 an hour and business would just raise the cost of everything. They are never going to let you keep your raise. The best thing to do is get a promotion or a better job making more money. No one should strive to stay at minimum wage.
Musicman · 61-69, MVIP
@Nitedoc Yes, but only the people making minimum wage get an increase. Everyone elses pay stays the same, but yet they still suffer the massive inflation as prices rise.
Nitedoc · 51-55, M
@Musicman That's hardly far to the skilled vocational worker who spent the, money, time and effort to learn how to make a decent living in their trade.
Musicman · 61-69, MVIP
@Nitedoc Exactly!
SamInAZ · 41-45, M
Every time they raise wages the costs of goods and services go up with them, along with lost jobs.

 
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