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Love Russia and the Russian people, but here's a brief history lesson for Trump...

1919 - Russia attacks Ukraine
1920 - Russia attacks Poland
1921 - Russia attacks Azerbaijan
1939 - Soviet Union attacks Georgia, Finland and Poland
1940 - Soviet Union attacks Baltic countries
1956 - Soviet Union attacks Hungary
1968 - Soviet Union attacks Czechoslovakia
1979 - Soviet Union attacks Afghanistan
1992 - Russia attacks Georgia and Moldova
1994 and 1999 - Russia attacks Chechnya
2008 - Russia attacks Georgia
2014 - Russia attacks Ukraine
2015 - Russia attacks Syria
2022 - Russia attacks Ukraine

Trump to Zelenskiyy: “You should’ve never started it … You could’ve made a deal.”

“He should never have let that war start … That war’s a loser.”
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CedricH · 22-25, M
I don’t love either. Anyway, great list. Here are some minor corrections. Beginning in 1918 the RSFSR attempted to strangle the newly independent Baltic states in their cradle. Subsequently, Azerbaijan was attacked in 1920, followed by Armenia in the same year, and the takeover of the South Caucasus was completed with the invasion of Georgia in 1921. Farther to the East, Russia invaded Mongolia in the same year.
In 1940, the USSR(Russia) not only invaded the Baltic states but Romania to occupy and annex Bessarabia and the Bukovina region.
I‘d also add the Soviet invasion of northern Iran in 1941 since the Soviet Union, unlike Britain and the US, tried to stay and continue the occupation until after the war despite pre-existing agreements.
ididntknow · 56-60, M
@CedricH How many military bases does Russia have around the world ?
How many military bases does America have around the world ?
CedricH · 22-25, M
@ididntknow Perhaps Russia ought to cultivate a few more mutually benificial alliances. That, however, would require a different conduct in international affairs.
Besides, the entire rhetorical question is childish. Foreign military bases are neither intrinsically good nor bad, it depends on how they‘re being used.
ArtieKat · M
1968 - Soviet Union attacks Czechoslovakia
I was in Frankfurt, West Germany, in the Summer of 1968 on a school exchange when the Russian tanks rolled into Prague. There was serious concern on the news that the Russians weren't going to stop at the border.
IronHamster · 56-60, M
@ArtieKat Putin won't stop at Ukraine either. The plan was to absorb Ukraine then march onward to the next mountain chain.
Syria? Russia didn’t attack Syria. It entered the country because the Syrian government invited it. The United States, on the other hand, was never asked to be there.

The Ukraine conflict goes straight back to 2014. It started because Ukraine targeted and discriminated against Russian speaking communities in Crimea, Donetsk, and Luhansk. After the U.S. backed Euromaidan coup removed a democratically elected president, Crimea voted overwhelmingly to join Russia.

Then the West helped install Zelensky as their preferred leader and pushed Ukraine toward NATO membership. That is what set the stage for this whole conflict.
ididntknow · 56-60, M
@Jokersswild someone that understands what’s going on 👍
G7J2O · 36-40, MNew
@Jokersswild Wow...


Let's break down the many many ways in which you are wrong.

Ukraine targeted and discriminated against Russian speaking communities in Crimea, Donetsk, and Luhansk

Nope.


Russian-speaking Ukrainians were not being persecuted in any systematic or state-sponsored way. No credible international organization (UN, OSCE, Council of Europe, Amnesty, Human Rights Watch) ever found ANY evidence of Ukraine targeting or discriminating against Russian-speaking populations. If you have evidence to the contrary, please share it.


After the U.S. backed Euromaidan coup removed a democratically elected president,


Nope.

Yanukovych was democratically elected in 2010 and was removed in 2014 after months of mass protests involving hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians from across the country.

His removal was approved by 328 out of 450 members of Ukraine’s parliament, including many from Yanukovych’s own party.


This is not the definition of a coup.😂

Yes, the West supported the protesters. No they did not orchestrate the uprising. There is no evidence for that. If you have some, please share it.

Crimea voted overwhelmingly to join Russia

Surely not even you believe this 😂

The vote was illegal and held under occupation. The referendum was held under Russian military control after armed forces had seized the peninsula.

There was no option to remain part of Ukraine on the ballot.

OSCE observers were not allowed in.

Even Russia admitted only “about half” of eligible voters participated.

Plus independent investigations estimated the real support for joining Russia was about 30-40%, not 97%.

And as you well know, but don't care, the UNGA declared the referendum invalid and Crimea’s annexation illegal.

Then the West helped install Zelensky as their preferred leader and pushed Ukraine toward NATO membership.

Bullshit. Pure conspiracy.

Zelensky was elected in a landslide (73%) in a free and fair election. He defeated Petro Poroshenko, who was actually preferred by many Western governments.

Calling Zelensky “installed” is ridiculous.

If he was "installed", why? Don't for a moment think it was because he would ensure Ukraine joined NATO.

There was no plan for Ukraine to join NATO. They were not even CLOSE to joining NATO, and several countries including France and Germany actively opposed it. Putin knew this.

Plus Russia had signed multiple treaties (1994 Budapest Memorandum, 1997 Russia-Ukraine Treaty, 2009 OSCE Astana Declaration) recognizing Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity.

Saying NATO caused the war is pure Russian propaganda.

Here are the facts.

Putin began an unprovoked war against Ukraine because he does not believe Ukraine is a real state and wanted to bring it back under his sphere of influence. He used a false justification (de-Nazifying the country), which no-one, least of all him, actually believes.

Putin, not Zelenskyy, has the blood of millions on his hands as a result.
IronHamster · 56-60, M
While I support Trump in many things, negotiating peace is best done by dispatching the aggressor. Putin started this. Putin can end it. Giving Russia a win just lets him start another war.
IronHamster · 56-60, M
@newjaninev2 Your ignorance is humorous. Thank you for the laughs.
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IronHamster · 56-60, M
@Thrust She wants droit du seigneur with Trump.
senghenydd · M
The US & Europe (NATO) should re-arm I mean big time, I don't think anyone thought Russia would invade Ukraine big mistake, a lesson to learn never let your guard down.

According to some sources on the internet Russia built war factories for this in anticipation of the lengthy conflict.
now do america... i for one feel its offensive to put you 1000 year old country right near so many american bases...
@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout Right, compare the number of countries that Russia has invaded,after World War II, to the number of countries that the US has invaded.

They want to make Russians look so bad but history tells a different story.
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G7J2O · 36-40, MNew
@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout Why do America? It has nothing to do with my post.
Daviszabecki · 56-60, M
You forgot to mention 1939 - Russia attacks Finland
G7J2O · 36-40, MNew
@Daviszabecki Updated, but you get my point...
Daviszabecki · 56-60, M
@G7J2O I do indeed. And I agree fully
ChipmunkErnie · 70-79, M
@Anniedlr I think the Finns would say they fought the Russians to a deadlock, losing SOME territory but ending with the Soviets giving up and Finland, unlike so much of Eastern Europe, retaining it's independence?
ididntknow · 56-60, M
Do you have the dates of the countries America, Israel, UK, NATO have attacked over the years
ididntknow · 56-60, M
@G7J2O sorry, but your knowledge on the matter is very low,
G7J2O · 36-40, MNew
@ididntknow Deflection noted.
ididntknow · 56-60, M
@G7J2O No deflection, just your lack of knowledge, you’re just quoting what you’ve been told by mainstream media, which work on narratives, to propagandise people
ididntknow · 56-60, M
The people in this post obviously believing the narrative, try and get away from mainstream media
ididntknow · 56-60, M
@G7J2O What do you believe started it, do you know anything about what happened before February 2022 ?
G7J2O · 36-40, MNew
@ididntknow I asked you a question. Don't turn it back on me.
ididntknow · 56-60, M
@G7J2O I am not turning it back on you. You say Russia are responsible for starting the war in Ukraine, to say that, you need to know, what happened to provoke that,
If I punched you in the face ankh knocked you out, should I go to prison for assault, or would the police take into account that you’d punched and kicked me 20 times, before I punched you, then knocked you out, or should the police just take into account, that I’d punched you and knocked you out, in other words, you can’t look at a situation from a certain time point, without looking at what provoked me to punch you and knock you out, which is what you’re doing
ididntknow · 56-60, M
Russia have won the war, Ukraine and the west have lost, that’s the truth
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