CountScrofula · 41-45, M
I genuinely don't and I remember predicting a war with Russia when Hillary Clinton ran against Trump. We just got it under Biden when he got in.
Ukraine is in a tug of war between NATO and Russia and has slowly flipped over to the EU/NATO side of things, losing Russia a subject state that they could rely upon.
To be clear, Russia is an evil warmongering state. But Russia didn't invade Ukraine apropos of nothing, they invaded after a decade of work from NATO/EU to move Ukraine into their sphere of influence. The push from Biden to get Ukraine into NATO was what triggered the war.
But ultimately, Russia are the ones who invaded a sovereign state and are killing civilians. I think it is insane for people who see the problems in NATO to just cheer for Russia.
Sometimes the only good guys are the innocents trying to stay safe in a horrible war.
Ukraine is in a tug of war between NATO and Russia and has slowly flipped over to the EU/NATO side of things, losing Russia a subject state that they could rely upon.
To be clear, Russia is an evil warmongering state. But Russia didn't invade Ukraine apropos of nothing, they invaded after a decade of work from NATO/EU to move Ukraine into their sphere of influence. The push from Biden to get Ukraine into NATO was what triggered the war.
But ultimately, Russia are the ones who invaded a sovereign state and are killing civilians. I think it is insane for people who see the problems in NATO to just cheer for Russia.
Sometimes the only good guys are the innocents trying to stay safe in a horrible war.
ItsMeMorgue · 46-50, F
@CountScrofula I was about to jump in and say that that doesn't make Russia the good guys, and then I saw where you already said that.
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ZulXeroth · 31-35, M
Yes.
Every war for the next 100 years minimum is going to be for control of technologically significant minerals. Ukraine has Minerals. That's what the Fanta Fascist wanted in exchange for helping Ukraine. It's the same thing Putin is after. Petrodollar is going to die in the next 20 years, minerals are what will replace it. It's the same reason US was making threats towards Denmark over Greenland.
Every war for the next 100 years minimum is going to be for control of technologically significant minerals. Ukraine has Minerals. That's what the Fanta Fascist wanted in exchange for helping Ukraine. It's the same thing Putin is after. Petrodollar is going to die in the next 20 years, minerals are what will replace it. It's the same reason US was making threats towards Denmark over Greenland.
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PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
@meJess Your entire premise is an American State Department talking point. It is objectively false. And you completely ignore all facts that don't fit your narrative.
And again, trying to resort to emotional manipulation by creating false comparisons to Hitler when Ukraine actually is a place where descendents of the Waffen SS and OUN thrive.
Where Canada honours Nazi war criminals in support of Ukraine.
And you made both claims that Russia supposedly wants space and resources when there is zero evidence of that. In fact Ukrainian resources have been plundered by the West. Zelensky violated the Ukrainian constitution to sell of their farm land to American and European Agricultural conglomerates. The US and UK are fighting over Ukrainian mines so the only side that fits your WW2 fantasy is the west here.
Russia needs natural resources about as much as Saudi Arabia needs sand.
And again, trying to resort to emotional manipulation by creating false comparisons to Hitler when Ukraine actually is a place where descendents of the Waffen SS and OUN thrive.
Where Canada honours Nazi war criminals in support of Ukraine.
And you made both claims that Russia supposedly wants space and resources when there is zero evidence of that. In fact Ukrainian resources have been plundered by the West. Zelensky violated the Ukrainian constitution to sell of their farm land to American and European Agricultural conglomerates. The US and UK are fighting over Ukrainian mines so the only side that fits your WW2 fantasy is the west here.
Russia needs natural resources about as much as Saudi Arabia needs sand.
meJess · F
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow wow is everything about Nazis for you?
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nudistsueaz · 61-69, F
TexChik · F
Absolutely. The Biden regime was motivated only by greed. They were more concerned with laundering money intended to aid Ukraine against Russia and enriching themselves instead of using it to strengthen the American Military. The UN was a joke, as was NATO, which was happy to allow the US to pay to protect them from Russia while buying Russian energy to power their factories and heat their homes. Kamala Harris would have done nothing to change any of that as long as her share of the proceeds kept rolling in.
Roundandroundwego · 61-69
It's not possible for anyone to understand that the Russians did nothing wrong or illegal. Just don't bother! Keep up the unity. No root causes ever existed that you could not deny! Western minds erased all the root causes of everything.. but keep fighting!
ItsMeMorgue · 46-50, F
@Roundandroundwego Wow, okay! The invading Russians who took over Ukraine and almost blew up a nuclear power plant did nothing wrong!
Roundandroundwego · 61-69
@ArishMell UN rules and international law allow Russ to invade Ukraine to protect civilians. Which they did.
That's understandable for everyone but russo-phobes
That's understandable for everyone but russo-phobes
ItsMeMorgue · 46-50, F
@Roundandroundwego Okay. So sending troops in to relocate Ukrainian citizens within Russia, take over a nuclear power plant and almost blow it up, and claim huge parts of Ukraine for Russia with all for the protection of their civilians. Great job. I'm sure your medal from Putin is in the mail.
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TurtlePink · 51-55, M
It was gonna happen regardless who was president and that’s just based off of Russia’s internal factors like it’s politics and it’s economy.
Roundandroundwego · 61-69
@TurtlePink confabulation is where you don't know what happened but assume you can imagine it accurately.
TurtlePink · 51-55, M
@Roundandroundwego that’s what you did
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4meAndyou · F
Putin WAITED until wishy-washy-weak-sister Biden was in office before he began his aggressions.
Anyone who didn't NOTICE the timing is not paying much attention to anything at all.
Trump made it obvious to the entire WORLD, when he bombed Syria, and casually mentioned it to Xi at dinner, that he is a crazy ballsy loose cannon...someone to be FEARED.
With Trump gone, it was ON.
Anyone who didn't NOTICE the timing is not paying much attention to anything at all.
Trump made it obvious to the entire WORLD, when he bombed Syria, and casually mentioned it to Xi at dinner, that he is a crazy ballsy loose cannon...someone to be FEARED.
With Trump gone, it was ON.
SarahTheHooker · 26-30, F
The crazy thing is that 'The Duck' is such a loose cannon that you can't have a clue whether he would have or not, or would he have sided with Russia to let them OR Putin go "This guy's nuts! He'll start a nuclear war. Let's not."
I know that I wouldn't trust him, let's put it that way.
Sarah 💋
I know that I wouldn't trust him, let's put it that way.
Sarah 💋
ItsMeMorgue · 46-50, F
Do you not?
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
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PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
@ItsMeMorgue Lies by omission are still lies.
ItsMeMorgue · 46-50, F
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That is exactly what you are doing.
No, I'm not justifying the Russian invasion of Ukraine. And even if I was, I certainly wouldn't be doing it by calling everyone who opposes it an American imperialist.
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NativePortlander1970 · 51-55
No