When conservative beliefs are that everything which does not support their views is political propaganda for the other side, it means they believe it's a requirement they correct things to become political propaganda for their side.
Or in short, uh, the very bad US education system is about to get very worse as six year olds are taught how to report their friend's parents to ICE.
@BrandNewMan A child's education includes basic education about social norms. Forty years ago I was learning stuff about manners, social norms, how families are structured, and who is in my community. It makes perfect sense they'd include homosexuality in those teachings.
And I find disturbing that that paper implies that being gay is somehow exposing children to sexual concepts, while being straight does not. By framing gay people as unsafe for children, it leads to very disturbing questions about what is to be done about it.
What's at issue here is a turf war over the space of "normal". Conservatives and Liberals have different visions for society, and they want the kids to be taught that vision. Framing your ideas as rational and the liberal stuff as indoctrination is a bad faith argument and you know it.
And to be clear, the American education system sucks because schools are underfunded, there's a huge push to privatize and move to charters which means more underfunding, being a teacher is a dogshit job with no pay or respect, and there's rampant bad pedagogy like three-cueing.
American kids are graduating unable to read. That has nothing to do with critical race theory.
@BorealPedant I dont think conservative indoctrination is ok either. I think some of this stuff should be between the kids and their parent more so and more focus on academics in school.
My wife's a teacher. We pay more here per student than virtually all the countries with better outcomes. Its not just money .. its how it is used and we are not getting our current money's worth. Just throwing more money at it will then not solve the problems. Naive as hell to think otherwise.
Speaking as an older person, I can tell you that "history" in textbooks has been being erased, watered down, and altered since I was in the 4th grade, and probably even before that. You would not even believe some of the stuff that was removed.
I read the article, and it appears that Hillsdale college is presenting this initiative, and that the various organizations listed, along with Hillsdale, are planning to teach American Civics.
When I was a kid, we pledged allegiance to the flag every single morning. We were taught that the flag is a revered symbol of our nation. It didn't hurt any of us. We didn't feel "indoctrinated" by that. Perhaps YOU might.
When I was a girl scout, we were taught that the flag must never touch the ground, because the flag was sacred, as is our nation...and as the daughter of a full Bird Colonel in the US Army, I grew up listening to Taps when we went to pick my father up at work, and I watched the REAL respect that the soldiers lowering the flag FELT as they saluted.
I do believe that prayer in schools HAS to be private. It should be a moment of silence. And then if students WANT to pray, in the manner of their own family's religion, then they may. However, I do not believe that teachers, like coaches and others, who pray out loud on the field, should be persecuted for their beliefs.
Reading your post, above, and having read the article you listed, I do detect a bit of exaggerated hysteria.
With the appointment of the a new director of Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) E.J. Antoni in the federal reserve from the heritage foundation, there can be no question that there is a move to push project 2025 by the whole administration.
Charlie Kirk, the founder of Turning Point USA, as well has ties to project 2025.
All of this leads back to both the heritage foundation and therefore project 2025.
I agree that this is a huge educational issue, yet it's oh so much bigger than just that.
The darn pdf file from project 2025 is over 900 pages long.
Just this link shows the connection between the two organizations...
I think it has been needed for some time now. Our school board always says they have to go by the " California Standard" when curriculum is questioned by parents!
@fanuc2013 aren't you lot the "facts don't care about your feelings" crowd? History should be taught accurately with no historical facts hidden because it might be uncomfortable. Otherwise it is indoctrination.
Hmm... I don’t see anything about math, reading, science listed among your concerns! Odd..
You do seem concerned about history. Historically public education has focused heavily on indoctrination. Current state indoctrination appears to focus on why white people are bad, why math proficiency is racist, and why boys and girls should be girls and boys. There also appears to be a cult like narrative that anyone with enough sense to reject these philosophies is degenerate, not fully human, and deserving of death!
In any event, eliminating the DOE will save money simply by eliminating the middle man and result in a better educational environment by returning control to the local level where it can be more effective and efficient.
I only mentioned Civics & History because that was the topic of the press release.
As someone who just recently left the public education system, my peers nor I have felt that history was teaching us that “white people are bad”. There is no country on this planet that does not have skeletons in their closets. History for many is brutal, shameful and ugly. Future generations need to know that as well.
As for your other topics mentioned, although I have strongly opposing opinions on those, they aren’t relevant to this current conversation.
I don’t believe the Department of Education should be eliminated. It should have been restructured towards STEM/STEAM education. We should be pouring into our youth instead of stripping them down.
Children have been being presented liberally skewed /biased information in the current system for a couple decades, while educational achievement levels plummeted.
Eliminating dei and critical race theory needs to happen . Eliminating them doesn't erase any history . I'm sure teaching white shame is the way the left wants it to go .
@yestestvennaya Even if a person doesn’t know something I think that was the point behind Kirk’s mantra, was to correct them and imbue them with knowledge they didn’t have before so they could at least have the opportunity to think upon it afterwards, in the hopes of realizing that a lot of unintelligent people had been either lying to them out of ignorance, or maliciousness.
Что это? The Wednesday award for the dumbest c..t?
Do you know what the First Amendment also says? That the citizen can exercise their religion when and where they wish to. What do you think the implication of this is? If a high school coach wishes to pray with students, he can. If Louisiana schools wish to display Ten Commandments, they can. It is not a matter of law or principle you contest; it is your disfavor of God. What other rationale could there be? You don't like God. You don't want God.
@basilfawlty89 Sure. Alas, the Native American ship has sailed. The European one is fighting to remain anchored. To not be pushed out to sea. Is it too late?
