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Is social conservatism really winning in the United States?

These days, it’s probably easier to convince a pickup truck enthusiast to switch to a Prius than to persuade a Democrat that cultural liberalism remains dominant in the United States of the 2020s. After all, the Dobbs ruling, a Vice President who openly contemplates the virtue of diminishing voting rights for women without children, and the rise of pervasive Christian online influencers might all be seen as harbingers of America’s very own Handmaid’s Tale. Nevertheless, it is an incontrovertible fact that today’s American society is much more culturally liberal than it was 30 years ago.

Back then, social conservatives championed many pet projects fundamentally at odds with a liberal, enlightened, and secular nation. Behind each sub-group of dedicated and vociferous activists for “a proper moral order” stood sizeable segments of America’s voting populace. But what happened to these strident endeavors—banning stem cell research, instituting nationwide school prayers, teaching creationism in public schools across the country? They went nowhere. And just as these grassroots initiatives foundered, so too did popular support for them.

Meanwhile, inter-ethnic, inter-religious, inter-racial, and same-sex marriages, relationships, and partnerships have grown—accompanied by rising societal acceptance and an embrace of freedom and love over philistine bigotry. Support for the death penalty has declined, while female workforce participation and educational attainment have both improved remarkably.

Church attendance has dropped, as has the number of parents who still endorse corporal punishment. Relatedly, the number of states that permit corporal punishment in public schools has also declined. In this climate of growing cultural tolerance, cannabis has become far more socially and legally accepted—for better or worse. Immigration, too, is more popular today than it was three decades ago. The immigrant population has grown in both size and proportion, while the majority of Americans—whose views are often dismissed as broadly anti-immigration—are in fact mainly concerned about an unregulated, violent, and chaotic border. Their concerns are rooted in the perceived breakdown of law and order, a loss of national sovereignty, and a potential drain on the welfare state. Fewer and fewer oppose immigration because of fears over demographic shifts, a changing racial composition of the country, or labor market competition.

However, just like the crisis at the border, other illiberal identity-based policies have triggered a backlash. There is a renewed focus on expanding opportunity rather than enforcing equal outcomes, and a growing appreciation for the virtues of color- and gender-blindness over increasingly sectarian and divisive thought experiments that artificially impose categories among free and equal American citizens.

Affirmative action programs, policies perceived as special privileges for transgender individuals, calls for unlimited abortion access, public social micromanagement through DEI mandates in the private sector, weak on crime public prosecutors, illiberal cancel culture, and a politicized weakening of law enforcement—all have become untenable and political vulnerabilities for their unrepentant advocates. Notably, this includes the current Trump administration’s attacks on the FBI, which risk eroding its competence and integrity.
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beckyromero · 36-40, F
I think those of us left of center are reluctant to acknowledge to the political gamesmanship of then Sen. Republican Leader Mitch McConnell and his role inchanging in the courts, especially the Supreme Court - which has increasingly become more conservative than the public at large.

While Trump gets credit for nominating three new members of SCOTUS, it was McConnell who really was the mastermind who re-shaped the Court.

While liberals have successfully championed many of the rights you eluded to, they (and by
"they" I mean voters) have underestimated the ability of the courts to delay or overturn some of those rights. While they persevered in getting such rights to pass in the states or federally, they lost sight of the fact that a right not enshrined in the Constitution can be undone by the courts. And they failed in defending many of those rights.

Liberals have never been good at defeating conservative judicial nominees. It starts with the control of the Senate and the failure by elected Democrats to educate and also by voters to ignore the importance of the judiciary.
CedricH · 22-25, M
@beckyromero One more reason for the Democrats to become a party that’s purple enough to win back the Senate and hold it. It’s not an inconceivable feat.
beckyromero · 36-40, F
@CedricH

The recent battle for the Wisconsin Supreme Court seat, despite over $20 million spent by Elon Musk in a failed attempt to defeat Susan Crawford, shows it is possible to get voters to focus on the importance of the courts.

But Democrats have repeatedly failed to get voters to recognize the U.S. Senate's role with respect to federal courts.

Sen. Susan Collins (R-ME) winning re-election in 2020 after she voted to confirm nominee Brent Kavanaugh to the U.S. Supreme Court in 2018 is a prime example of that.
CedricH · 22-25, M
@beckyromero Good point.
If liberal policies hadn't taken root, the regressive slogan "Make America Great Again" wouldn't have appealed nearly as well as it did.

Of course, there's a lot more going on than just social conservatism vs. liberalism.

Trumpism focuses autocracy and a supreme executive, decrcriminalizing financial and corruption crimes other then for political retribution for example.

Historically, I dont think these are particularly "conservative" as much as regressive ideas, pushing back against not just the enlightenment, but also older innovations such as enforcing social crimes (murder, stealing, bearing false witness, coveting), respect for neighbors/other human beings, and, if you're an Arthurian fan, the idea that might doesn't make right.
@Reason10


America is not ready to become North Korea or the Soviet Union.

That's interesting because Trump's leadership "style" is so similar to that of Putin and Kim.

Do you really think that Obama was "the most far left President in history?
Reason10 · 70-79, M
@MistyCee Trump's leadership style is similar to President Reagan. Putin and Kim? Do you even know anything about those two?

Trump would shut down Congress and put all Democrats into camps, if he was like Putin or Kim.

Obama's far left polices are worse than KKKarter, KKKlinton and Redneck Johnson.
@Reason10 oh, ok.

I think I see where you're coming from.
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
We did advance considerably, but if you hadn't noticed things are backtracking extremely fast. Never before in IS history did, i believe, and administration coming out and saying it wants to tell a major university how to hire its faculty, what to teach and how to teach it. With all the noise about Epstein and ICE, we do not have our eyes on the ball, the media, courts, and now education is being taken over by a radical movement that will not stop until it enslaved us all!
Reason10 · 70-79, M
@samueltyler2 and now education is being taken over by a radical movement that will not stop until it enslaved us all!

Excuse me, but the welfare state has ENSLAVED the taxpayer for as long as it has been in existence. And it is DEMOKKKRAT institution.

There is nothing radical about the Trump administration or Make America Great Again that could come anywhere close to radical.

Radical was Barak Saddam Hussein Obama. Radical was Pedophile Joe Biden. Radical was KKKlinton.

Far left UnAmericans who hate this country.
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@Reason10 dream on, your radical right has abandoned a lot of the US constitution and is pushing us. Into a fascist state.
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Reason10 · 70-79, M
A lot of problem with that far left diatribe.

1. You are going to have to produce proof that somehow Vice President Vance is thinking of diminishing the voting rights of women without children. That's just a major bizarre LIE.

2. Dobbs was a triumph of DEMOCRACY over judicial oligarchy. The Blackmun Supreme Court violated the Constitution by passing Roe. Dobbs overturned a bad law and brought back DEMOCRACY. Each state (as well as the Federal Government) was given the DEMOCRATIC choice of keeping abortion, limiting abortion or outlawing abortion. DEMOCRACY is what Dobbs is all about.


3. You far left wingers are very confused about conservatism in American today, mostly because you never really had an accurate information base for conservatism over the years. You people don't even know the origins of modern day liberalism, (although the easiest textbook on that is the Communist Manifesto, by Karl Marx. You'll pretty much see the entire Democrat Party platform in that book.

4. Modern day conservatism is pretty easy to figure out: Freedom; liberty; the rule of law; free market capitalism with limited government; intact two parent families; marriage; color blind MERIT BASED hiring; ZERO bigotry based on the 14th Amendment. Most of America lines up with those values.

Liberalism pretty much is the opposite, which is why liberals are a minority in America.
Reason10 · 70-79, M
@CedricH He said they were meant to have more power going into the voting booth than childless individuals!

Connect the dots.


Show the legislation. Show the Constitutional Amendment that would have to be abolished.

Or admit you have once again LOST THE ARGUMENT.
CedricH · 22-25, M
@Reason10 It is regrettable that you can’t even concede the most obvious defeat. Well, what can I say. I can’t do more than provide you with his exact words. Vance’s nonsensical blabbering corroborates the statement in my original post. If you can’t acknowledge that then you‘re either illiterate or physically blind.
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MasterLee · 56-60, M
The liberals have dumbed down their followers and eroded education.
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