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Republicans propose eliminating profit tax on home sales. Will this make homes more or less expensive?



Photo above - Great news, Lisa! The government eliminated federal taxes on homes. Now we can buy that idyllic country farmette we've always dreamed of.

If you’re lucky enough to own a home, but decide you need to sell it, you could end up paying a capital gains tax up to 20%. The current rules are complex, and some sellers can escape the penalty, but others get hit hard. Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene (Georgia) has a plan to fix all that. Completely end the tax. (see link below)

Okay, this does have some caveats. It has to be your personal residence – no flippers allowed. And it can’t be some expensive vacation second home. Primary residences only. Presumably this change will benefit senior citizens who want to retire to Florida and become Burmese Python or gator wranglers in their golden years.

So far so good. I don’t want obnoxious home flippers like Tariq and Christina to reap a windfall by snaring some eyesore, repainting it, and putting down new sod. They made mega profits in 90-120 days on each California home they flipped this way. Average size about 1,600 SF. Sorry Tariq and Christina, you’re part of the problem.

In theory, letting retirees keep an extra 20% of their home’s sale price would make it easier to pack up and move to the sunbelt. They get more cash back after closing the sale, to help with things like Medicare premiums, electricity, eggs, and rising HOA fees/property insurance premiums.
Okay, so more homes be listed for sale. Increased supply. Prices might go down.

Or they might not. Hear me out.

If I’m some DINK (double income, no kids) millennial and the stock market is starting to look risky, I might buy a house – or a bigger house – to shelter myself from the 20% capital gains tax that would apply to any wall street investments I could have put my money in. This seems like a no brainer – 20% tax on my Apple or Amazon stock , or zero tax on my house. Can you decide which will end better? This is not a trick question.

So, money that MIGHT have gone into the US stock market (which is in a near-historic bubble, by any measure) could pivot and go into a bidding war for that 4 bedroom, 3.5 bath 3,000 SF home on half an acre. Those things go for 3 million in NY or California. About $500,000 in a normal state. But I’m guessing most of the DINK’s with big brokerage accounts live in New York or California, so those are the markets where people might continue to bid up home prices.

This post is NOT a condemnation of MTG or anyone else's plan to reduce the tax burden on retirees and middle-class earners. I'm trying to encourage a debate on how tax policy might actually affect us in the real world.

If there are any economic historians here, please remind us about what happened to stocks when the capital gains rates were reduced from 60% to 28% and then to today’s 20%. Did that make stocks go up, or go down? Could that happen with home prices, too?

I’m just askin’ . . .

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Avectoijesuismoi · 36-40
Real estate before I start is one of the dirtiest industries going and most governments around the world know about it, but guess what it raises revenue for them in taxes every time you sell and buy.
Yes it might be your primary address but as far as I am aware there actually is no law that requires that you live in it or how long you have to own it for it to qualify as a Primary address.
I admit serial offender with buying and selling the primary residence. Technically we moved four times in one year when we still lived in the UK, and technically we don't currently have a primary address here in the US in California.

Flipping as you call it is part of real estate worldwide in some cases it is at times what actually keeps the real estate market going in hard times.
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@Avectoijesuismoi it could be easy to determine what someone's primary residence is. "show me your income tax forms for the past 2 years".

they actually kicked someone off our local school board last month over this. he's a naturalized US citizen, but moved back to Pakistan to care for his sick mother. He'd been attending school board meetings for 2 years via "Zoom", and nobody caught on . . .
Avectoijesuismoi · 36-40
@SusanInFlorida As far as I know that would be difficult to administer, you could be living in a home you pay rent for for those two years, but actually own a property elsewhere that is actually your primary home that you are genuinely trying to sell to be able to buy a new home where you have had to relocate just for honest work relocation purposes.
You legally have to notify the tax people of where you reside, change of address, but it doesn't mean it is your primary home or that you even own it.
sp1dwoOfe221 · 36-40, M
@Avectoijesuismoi mais nonon, copine capuchette. en français maintenant!..
Avectoijesuismoi · 36-40
@SusanInFlorida In short fixed rate is more popular in US it is about 92 % of home owners that use that version. It's good and bad at the same time. Yes you are sure of what you're interest rate will be for the whole term of say 30 years, but the rate of interest is frequently higher usually 2 % maybe more than that of ARM.
Secondly you are stuck with that rate for the whole loan period. For instance if as example they have you a rate of 6.75 %, and the interest rate that is prevailing becomes say 3.5 %, you end up paying over the odds for your loan.
But if it interest goes above that rate you carry on paying your rate at 6.75 rather than say a prevailing rate of for example 8%.
So it can be a win or a lose situation for the borrower to have fixed rate. Fixed rate for 30 years is what the financial institutions like to push because it is a consistent win for them they sell it to the consumer as a safety sure thing concept. They are guaranteed your money at that rate for a long time.
Hidden in it is also usually clauses that often make it difficult to redeem the loan early for longer periods should you get lucky and have the funds to do it or the penalties are high for doing it. They also may have a clause that prohibits paying back more than you monthly amount to pay it back quicker should you get into a position to do so, new job with bigger salary etc.
In short they want you trapped
ARM with fixed period of 3,5 or 7 years are actually a better option as it gives you wiggle room and also if you are not planning to stay in the same property for 30 years which people rarely do when you are starting out.
ARM also gives ability to re-mortgage at better rate as well after the original fixed period.
It is why you should never use in house mortgage people at Bank or real estate use independent to do it they play everyone of the financial institutions against each other to get the best rate for their client.
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@Avectoijesuismoi fixed rates are fixed. the ARM formula guarantees your payment will go up, unless a miracle happens. that's the "bait" they use to snare you with an ARM. Lower monthly payments up front, and they increase later on. ARMs usually also have a prepayment penalty, so you can't escape without giving them even more money.
Avectoijesuismoi · 36-40
@SusanInFlorida Whichever the system you use it always favours the lending Financial institutions, it is their business to make money
Fixed rate they have you paying X rate for 30 years
ARM they have you for X years paying at X rate and yes it can go up but it can go down as well, but it is risk factor and to an extent for both parties.
As a control Mechanism the Central bank hikes the rates and the banks then have to follow in line and hike what they charge the consumers for loans, but rarely do they give those with actual money in the bank anywhere near even a similar rate as returns on their money. Supposedly to curb inflation or control it.
The only problem is it is actually counter productive, as it can cause Foreclosures on homes, it can cause people to lose their businesses, jobs amongst other side effects side effects, the consumers have less money to spend and that impacts growth in your economy.
Does it cause property prices to drop maybe for a while, but that is when those with money go in and buy as assets for rental market etc, and most good real estate people have investors on their books to do just that.
The real problem though originates with the government mismanaging the country and getting it into debt where they borrow to cover the excess above what they receive in revenue with loans (TB ) in US case that get ever more expensive to payback. Eventually it gets to the point where either no one will lend you anymore or the country gets to what they call "Can't Pay, Won't Pay" scenario as the amount they owe has far exceeded what they can pay back. But usually before you get to that point the investors have said hey we ain't gonna lend you anymore now.
Avectoijesuismoi · 36-40
@SusanInFlorida Nothing to do with prediction it is the true costs of own a property.
The repayment to bank + the other costs insurance etc of owning the property.
The second part is what causes things to go wrong in many cases where people calculate only on the repayment maybe the insurance and taxes of the property, but forget that there are going to be other bills for electric, water, maintenance, repair bills. Then they start robbing Peter to pay Paul scenario and before they know it they are paying out more than they are bringing in.
Add interest rate increases, increased electric and water prices, insurance going up and it is a recipe for disaster to occur.
The questions you always need ask yourself especially with a loan on the home is
Is it still going to be affordable if the interest rate goes up?
Will I be able to afford those annual running costs because they also will go up.?

It is very rare that your salary will rise at the same rate or even at a rate that can cope with them all at the same time.
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@Avectoijesuismoi are any homes still financed with ARMs (adjustable rate mortgatges)? I know 3 people who closed on loans in the past year, and all were conventional (30 year, fixed rate) financing.
exchrist · 31-35
Id HOPE it should make home prices reduce; because take home profit would, alledgedly, be more. I EXPECT, home prices will increase, with inflation, and as sellers become accustomed to larger profits.
Also American government has huge amounts of debt. If revenue from home sales goes away, where will the shortfall be made up for?
Either it won't. And\Or expect more cuts to basic provisions for citizen "entitlements".
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@exchrist good reply. thank you. i believe home prices will continue to rise as long as construction of new homes lags behind population grown (births, immigration, etc)
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Confined · 56-60, M
Hmmmm Interesting.
Stuff like this make my head spin. I could never be a CPA.
ViciDraco · 41-45, M
It might tilt it towards more expensive, but not by much. It will make homes into a better investment and cause more investors to buy up and hoard property. But I say not by much because a good investment is generally a good investment regardless of tax. Smart investors diversify, so while a little more housing might enter their portfolios, only a fool relies too much on a single asset class.
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@ViciDraco investors are excluded in this legislation
Bottom line this will like nearly all tax credits from the GOP will mostly benefit people who are already wealthy.
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow Yes, I don't think the impact on house prices would be an important consideration for the proposers of this change.
Bumbles · 51-55, M
Maybe we can get rid of all federal income and just borrow 1000 Trillion.
Currently capital gains tax on the sale of a primary residence are calculated as follows

Sale price minus costs of sale minus capital improvements over the years (roof, driveway, major remodel, HVAC, etc) minus original cost (if one spouse dies during ownership period the cost basis for that half is the date of death value) minus $250K per owner (married couple both alive $500K).

If there is a gain it’s most likely long term and the rate is based on income

Capital gains tax rate 2025
The following rates and brackets apply to long-term capital gains on assets sold in 2025, which are reported on taxes filed in 2026.
Tax rate
Single
Married filing jointly
Married filing separately
Head of household
0%
$0 to $48,350
$0 to $96,700
$0 to $48,350
$0 to $64,750
15%
$48,351 to $533,400
$96,701 to $600,050
$48,350 to $300,000
$64,751 to $566,700
20%
$533,401 or more
$600,051 or more
$300,001 or more
$566,701 or more
Short-term capital gains are taxed as ordinary income according to federal income tax brackets.
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@jackjjackson thank you for validating that this is nightmare to calculate.

my mother is getting ready to sell her home (Pennsylvania). "Mom, did you keep the receipts from the driveway repaving and roof replacement?"
Reasonable estimates given to a CPA will work. If your mother was married and your father originally passed away half of her cost basis is half the value on his date of death. She should be fine if she lives in PA. @SusanInFlorida

 
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