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Abuse of Authority

Six days ago, ICE raided several locations and detained several undocumented day labourers in Compton and Paramount. The arrests made were viewed as acts of aggression by ICE. This unwise move triggered protests in Downtown LA. Almost every news channel has confirmed that the protest was peaceful, but on June 7 some protestors and federal forces clashed during raids because this aggressive move of the government was seen as unnecessary.

The tension that LA is witnessing today could have been avoided had President Trump not ordered the deployment of 2000 National Guard troops. To worsen things further, the silly man moved 700 marines to LA. Mr. Trump claims that as per Title 10, it was needed to control the violent mobs, protect federal personnel, and prevent further lawlessness. Really, Mr. Trump? We all saw what offended the people. Yes! It was the aggressive move of law and order authorities. An Australian news reporter was shot with a rubber bullet while she was reporting the ongoing tension.

Governor Newsom and Mayor Karen Bass criticised the actions of the President and called the deployment unconstitutional. As a matter of fact, both described the move as forced federalisation and abuse of authority because the decision made was never discussed with the state. Residents and local officials confirmed that the protests were peaceful, and local law authorities were managing the protests well.

This is becoming a trend now. Anytime people withstand or question Trump's administration, they are stopped forcefully. It is evident now that President Trump hates protests and likes to intimidate protestors for no reason.

The United States of America is transitioning from democracy to autocracy, gradually. There's no denying that now.

Mayor Bass claims that deployment of the National Guard and Marines didn't pacify the situation. It worsened it, rather. I wish President Trump is held accountable for aggravating the protestors and misuse of authority.

It doesn't surprise me why most MAGA supporters are regretting voting for Trump.

Illegal immigration is indeed a major concern for many countries, but is this kind of aggressive approach necessary to stop it? I don't think so. Tighten the border patrol if illegal immigration bothers you a lot. No one will question that. What good did the massive wall do if there are still illegal immigrants in the USA today? It means you have culprits within your system and administration.
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tenente · 36-40, M
Gov. Newsom (and City of LA officials) is complicit in the chaos happening in California right now.

But, Gov. Newsom isn't wrong on these points:
President Trump has fired government watchdogs who could hold him accountable.
President Trump is delegitimizing news organizations.
President Trump did call for the arrest of a sitting governor, saying it was "for getting elected."
President Trump is seeking blanket authority over the National Guard, applying it to all states.


Illegal immigration is indeed a major concern for many countries, but is this kind of aggressive approach necessary to stop it? I don't think so.

Does deploying the Marines and National Guard to Los Angeles represent undo escalation, or is it equal force?

IMO deploying the Marines and the National Guard is an undo escalation that resulted in incremental violence on the side of the protesters. The LAPD could have stopped this - - but they fucked it up again like so many times before. By deploying the National Guard, President Trump will create a crisis and an opportunity to institute marshal law. This is critical for President Trump to eliminate political opponents, silence his critics and assume absolute authority over LA and the State of California.

None of what is happening in LA right now needed to happen. LA city officials fucked this up, again! City officials should have clearly communicated ICE lawful purpose carrying out warrants. The City should have engaged community leaders to work with ICE and carry out those lawful warrants publicly and peacefully. LAPD should have been out in the community working with ICE and those community leaders too ( again, openly and peacefully! )

LA politicians and the California Governors office let this situation happen for their own selfish political reasons and they should be punished for it.

President Trump will use this crisis as opportunity for regime change.

Now the people of LA, and California, are seriously fucked.

My hope is NY State learns from California's example and does it differently.
@tenente The problem is the options we are presented to choose from. They've sucked for 30 years and grown ever farther from the center. We are truly choosing our perceived lesser of evils more often than not. Our political parties and govt are failing us across the board.

I'm not denying Trump's faults .. but Biden is beyond senile and Harris would push even further left than the mess of the last 4 yrs.

Not going to apologize I'm more comfortable deporting illegals than continuing on a 3MM a year clip of new illegals coming in without immigration due process.

Not going to apoligize for being against gender transition of children to further a social agenda for 1% of the population that is so rife w mental illness.

I'm not pretending bioligical men are women or belong in a women's restroom, women's locker room or women's athletic competitions.

I do not see why pushing these liberal social agendas down the throats of mainstream America should be at the forefront of American politics or govt policies.
jehova · 31-35, M
@tenente so much for states rights. Eh? If DJT dont like it the federal government just steps into line. Fueher Trump uber alles. Trump literal didnt win a majority in 2024.
jehova · 31-35, M
@tenente i didnt fully respond to you point, got distracted.
No putting local interests citizens and residents under the authority of uninformed politicains should not be okay. It was DJT that used that moment to get free press coverage. The governor was forcdd to waste time and resources when confronted by a hostile Mr. Trump.
Again it was to DJT's benefit. Free air time.
Idk if they "had to take the bait" but Trump showed up snd forced the issue.
Furthernore the president escalated the situation (deploying federal troops). The results of the election were not definitive the appartus in place tonprevent a "hostile takeover" by ill willed actors, were circumvented. The results are clear. Old established players, in this case mostly light skinned aristocratic and "above the law" (by "money"?) Are granted immunity despite violating laws while being recorded.
Welcome to America!

To get ahead (gain opportunity) one must be white male and a criminal.
God bless the Elderly, but no one else! Especially in elected office
nudistsueaz · 61-69, F
Viewed as acts of aggression by whom? Almost every news channel that reported it was peaceful was lying. They caused business closures, disruptured traffic, damaged buildings, set cars on fire and hurt people. Is that what you think peaceful is? I glanced at your profile, no country listed, why is that? Once again, get a clue!
jeancolby · 31-35, F
@nudistsueaz He's a left wing radical and probably illegal.
I once caused tension by double-booking the function room at the Linton Travel Tavern 😅

But this... well.... nothing says ‘keep calm’ like camouflage and a helicopter hovering over your Pilates class. 😅
Baremine · 70-79, C
What is wrong with enforcing the law. What is an undocumented laborer? Someone who has entered the country illegally and is therefore a criminal. Criminals need to pay for the crime. The democrats sanctuary city is illegal. Biden is a crook. Most of the democrats are guilty of violating the law.
Removing Illegal aliens is enforcing the law. Donald Trump is the best president in years. The protesters are also breaking the laws and should be punished.
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nudistsueaz · 61-69, F
@BrandNewMan Exactly
dancingtongue · 80-89, M
@Baremine Dang, even Trump agrees with me:

WASHINGTON – President Donald Trump said he plans to make changes to his administration's aggressive crackdown on illegal immigration to protect migrant farmers, hotel workers and others in the leisure industry who have been among those deported.

Trump promised the changes in a June 12 Truth Social post that acknowledged Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers have expanded arrests beyond just migrants convicted of violent crimes, who Trump officials have said are the primary targets of raids and deportations.

"Our great Farmers and people in the Hotel and Leisure business have been stating that our very aggressive policy on immigration is taking very good, long time workers away from them, with those jobs being almost impossible to replace," Trump wrote on the social media platform he owns.

--USA Today
nudistsueaz · 61-69, F
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@dancingtongue I know Indian and hispanic people I've worked with that are in the process as well, but only the inital stages.

There in lies the problem of doing it illegally in the first place. That is kinda like saying what do you do after deciding you were tired of waiting to buy something and stole it instead. Hardly the right thing is it? Hardly excuses it from legal consequence perspective does it? How many really tried to legally first vs paying criminals to human traffic them into the country as the first response? Regardless .. we have rules and laws and they are NOT entitled to come here just because they want to do it. Other countries do the same thing .. why are we expected to have a border open to all comers? That is absolute lunacy.

Are we just to accept the millions who came as a result of Biden's actions? I find that unacceptable and if they have to live with the consequnces of their actions to do so illegally .. I have absolutely no issues with that outcome.
dancingtongue · 80-89, M
@BrandNewMan Once again, you are focused solely on Biden and the last four years. The problem, imho, goes back to the early 1960's when JFK shut down the legal braceros program and the decades of frustrating efforts to the undeniable dysfunctional and discriminatory quota systems that were in place when agriculture, construction, and hospitality industries were begging for workers willing to take low-paying jobs. No, illegal actions shouldn't be rewarded but they are every day on the scoff laws that are so out of date they are dysfunctional and largely unenforceable. The laws should be updated and made rational. And when they aren't, should only the victims be pursued and incarcerated? How about the corporate employers who have only done a wink at vetting them because they need them, no matter how many tools they are given? How about those cartels driving the market to come to the U.S.?.
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It isn't gradual.
Carla · 61-69, F
@SomeMichGuy maybe the cord is intact...
@Carla lmao

a vain and desperate hope

I like you.
SoLeRiMix · 36-40, M
@SomeMichGuy True that!👍
jeancolby · 31-35, F
Most of the protesters are illegal aliens.
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jeancolby · 31-35, F
@SoLeRiMix The riots will not stop ICE.
SoLeRiMix · 36-40, M
@jeancolby And such actions will escalate to a Civil War in the near future. Then, stand with lovers of white power and praise the action of authoritarian government. The authoritarian government will come after the propaganda supporters too.

 
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