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Can Any MAGA Explain Trump's Tariffs?

I'm taking a few days to recoup from the flip flopping induced whiplash. Same for the rest of the world.

Today's latest, the Administration is now saying that their intent was not to punish China, but to help it diversify its economy from a total focus on manufacturing to a bended manufacturing model.

So, out of curiosity, where did the "Sir, may we please have a deal, they're kissing my ass", and "we're making $2B a day from China with the tariffs", comes in that strategy?
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Northwest · M
Note, I love some of these responses, for comic relief value, but the guy who tried to bring up that 19th century federal coffers were filled through tariffs, forgets that this was our own version of VAT, and it was prior to Federal Income taxes. In addition, that wasn't the question. The question is to explain the seasaw, total lack of strategy, behind Trump's yo-yo economic war.
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@Northwest The rare earth argument doesnt stand up. Other sources are available. But of course you dont get Chinas cheap labor..Not that it really matters. Toyota will have its Solid State batteries in production in a couple of years that are reputed to shade Lithium for charging time and range..And the Chinese are advanced on a salt based battery..😷
Northwest · M
@whowasthatmaskedman This is what he's going with for now, not the fact that he's no longer the only game in town, and that Chinese EV shipments far outnumber his, and they're just starting.
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@Northwest Yep. BYD look like being a category killer in the EV market..😷
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
I’m not an economist . Not a worshipper of Orange either. China doesn’t play by the rules. All nation knows this. I suspect the tariffs is just a bargaining chip by a businessman , not a politico .
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@Northwest I can’t bc I’m not
Northwest · M
@AthrillatheHunt
I can’t bc I’m not

Then you continue to be the socially awkward pest you're always been. Either stick to the topic or you will be deleted. Feel free to start your own posts to discuss whatever you want.
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Northwest · M
@LamontCranston
As our sifu used to say during kung fu class meditations, "breathe in, breathe out."

You should definitely do it, especially before you check out your 401K. But, as usual, you don't have an answer so you resort to "confessions". Try having an actual answer.
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swirlie · F
I'm not a MAGA fan nor am I a card-carrying Conservative of record, but Trump's tariff strategy is nothing more than using the word "tariff" in place of the words "sales tax" in that either strategy achieves the same end... they provide tax revenue to the US government.

The thing is, Americans hate to be taxed because Americans don't fundamentally understand the concept of taxation in general and Trump doesn't want to be known as the President who imposed higher taxes on Americans.

One has to remember that Americans are born and raised to believe in white picket fences around homes, Chevrolets in every driveway, free lunch in everyone's lunch box and zero taxation if you vote Republican. If a President maintains that American illusion of reality, he will remain popular among voters.

So how does Trump achieve the higher taxation equivalent on the balance sheet if he won't raise taxes?

He simply imposes tariffs on every commodity that comes into the USA from foreign Nations. Tariffs however, are not absorbed by the manufacturer of those goods but instead are passed-on to the American consumer at point-of-sale. That's how it's typically done. Any foreign manufacturer who suggests that tariffs will erode their profits while heavily impacting their fiscal solvency, doesn't actually have a clue about running a business.

The cost of the goods exported from a foreign Nation to the USA are therefore increased by X% from the manufacturer (cost of goods + %tariff) at which point the US government taxes that increased amount of purchase price at the standard tax rate that is currently enjoyed in the USA.

The bottom line is, the American consumer pays for the tariff but doesn't actually know they are paying for it because the tariff is discretely blended into the cost of the goods.

The American consumer will then pay more tax on the cost of the goods than were previously charged by the Fed because the cost of the tariff is being added to the cost of the goods which are now being taxed higher than pre-tariff times in history, which is the equivalent of 'taxing tax'.

So, the Fed essentially double-dips each purchase transaction by capturing the tariff fee from the consumer ..and then capturing tax from the consumer for those goods ...but then captures additional tax from the artificially increased value of the goods which is the 'tariff portion' of the cost passed on to the consumer at point-of-sale.

This means the Fed is covertly taxing the American consumer 3 times without the consumer being aware of how much tax + tariff + tax-on-tariff that goes into the purchase price of the item in question.
Northwest · M
@swirlie Great. Thank you for the mostly flawed TED talk. However, how does that address the strategy question I asked?
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Northwest · M
I wonder if people consider the possibility that when they flood your posts with unreturned comments, to tell you you're melting down, they're projecting? as in confessing?

They should leave the room for adults.
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1490wayb · 56-60, M
watch an athlete pivot and fake the defender to score...same thing a distraction...or opening move of a chess match
Northwest · M
@1490wayb
who is the successful billionaire??

1. How is this a response to the question.

2. You'll need to qualify "successful". The only evidence that he might be a Billionaire, is when he issued his own crypto, the day before he was sworn in. Perhaps you want to rephrase that as grift?
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who is the successful billionaire??
Nice effort to change the subject!!
But I'll answer.

Bill Gates
Warren Buffet
Mark Cuban
Larry Page, Sergey Brin, Reid Hoffman, Seth Klarman, John Pritzker, and hundreds of others.

Now I've got a question for you: how many business men do you know of who have bankrupted FOUR casinos??
Northwest · M
@ElwoodBlues Technically, he is a billionaire and I explained to him how he did it: grift.
Northwest · M
Once more: the question was if you can explain Trump's tariffs strategy, so if you can't address that, don't post and most certainly don't insult people.
ArtieKat · M
@Northwest I'm guessing from the fact that you have deleted a number of comments that you received neither an explanation for Trump's tariff policy - nor were any further comments free from insults directed at the rest of us?
Northwest · M
@ArtieKat
I'm guessing from the fact that you have deleted a number of comments that you received neither an explanation for Trump's tariff policy - nor were any further comments free from insults directed at the rest of us?

Affirmative. Makes things clearer when people stick to the topic and not put their lunacy on full display. The explanation is in my Profile.
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
Sounds like the adults are returning to the room . . 🙏🏽
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PHlover19701 · 56-60, M
Sooooo, just to clarify todays latest....Deranged Donald felt China was too focused on manf....and did All this just to help them out....not about helping the U.S.....is that about the sum of it?
Northwest · M
@PHlover19701 I was asking the MAGAs to tell me what the strategy is, if they understand it.
PHlover19701 · 56-60, M
@Northwest Im sure the Trumpy magas will have some reason....well, at least whatever they are told to say. I cant see how anyone could rationalize anything Trumpy does.
Northwest · M
@PHlover19701 None of them could identify the strategy, but they're good because the market did well today and yesterday, but they gloss over the fact that the reason the market went up, is because Trump feigned amnesia, and said he did not want to fire Powell (which is what tanked the market), and did not want to impose high tariffs on China (the primary reason the market tanked prior).

This is like this guy I knew, who would get an F, and his strategy was to come home and open up with "I got 3 Fs", and when his parents explode, he would say "No, I only got one F". You would be amazed how that turns a bad situation into a beer and barbecue celebration.
...yeah, this is what it looks like when the Exec is a buffoon and has actually ordered the rudder of the ship of state to be destroyed, thrown the engines overboard (to make the ship lighter), asked the rest of the world to use it for target practice, then destroyed its communications (because everything not sycophant-generated MUST be a lie), blew several holes into the hull well below the water line, then realized that the first executive orders already sold / dismantled the escape boats and everyone who COULD help has been fired and roundly criticized...

Does that help? 😉🤣
Northwest · M
@SomeMichGuy One more: the patient comes in for a checkup, he's placed on a surgical table, no anesthesia, his arms and legs are amputated, and then they proceed to see what's wrong with him.
@Northwest ...and it turns out he was just the UPS guy.
Northwest · M
So, if you're a MAGA, here's your answer: google which stock made some great gains today and claim your MAGA portfolio is a champ.
Lol. Any explanation given this week could change next week.
Northwest · M
@MistyCee Yes, I have a daily standup appointment with my massage therapist for whiplash.
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Spotpot · 46-50, M
MAGA like tariffs like their leader unlike conservatives.
Northwest · M
@Spotpot
MAGA like tariffs like their leader unlike conservatives.

I asked them to explain the strategy. They don't seem to get it.
swirlie · F
What about you Northwest? Can you explain Trump's tariffs? You've got the answer to everything else, so it would only stand to reason that a know-it-all like yourself would be able to answer your own question, right?
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whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@BigGuy2 But hes just not...Something is smoking those funny cigarettes again.. This is like those DOGE savings..😷
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ArtieKat · M
@BigGuy2 Go away and play in the traffic.
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