A question for those who want to see DEI abandoned...What sort of society do you actually want?

@pdockal


DEI is fair because you know as well as I do the amount of CVs that are tossed casually into the bin because someone has a foreign sounding name, even if they are the best qualified candidate. There's been mountains of studies done that have shown this time and time again. And THAT is not fair.

But, that aside, let's just remember that you've said, on this thread:


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You are clearly in favour of a meritocratic economy where only those who are the most qualified and experienced should be hired. Fair enought.

But you also believe that better qualified candidates are routinely passed over because they are White. Frankly that's BS: the opposite is true 99% of the time.

You want the best of the best? Well, I've got news for you. Your government no longer has the best of the best. It is fast becoming a hive of unqualified, inexperienced mindless drones, hand-picked by President Musk because they will do HIS bidding.

Musk getting rid of DEI is a MASSIVE distraction, because he hopes that people aren't noticing that he is essentially eviscerating the Federal government and replacing highly experienced, supremely competent government workers with unqualified loyalists who are barely out of school. And that's also why he's furious that judges are exposing him. He's trying to cover his tracks.

You should have a real problem with this. It's concerning that you clearly don't.

@Mesthartiya

OMFG you've really drank the cool ade didn't you
I don't know anybody who thinks that about DEI .... they want it gone
I work amongst a very diverse group
The ones that fit into DEI don't like it because they want to succeed on their own merit and DEI undermines that

Stop trying to confuse things by bringing up Musk

@pdockal My post was about Musk all along. It's his DOGE that is destroying DEI. My guess is that you claim I'm confusing things because Musk is making you uncomfortable as well...


And by the way, you're seriously trying to tell me that DEI hires wish that they hadn't been hired??

And what do you mean by succeeding "on their own merit" when DEI is the often only way they're going to be even given a chance?

It seems to me that you have an unshakeable belief that a non-White person should never be hired over a White person...

@pdockal i am a union member (millwright 11 years). i own and operate a unionized precision metal fabrication business. i recruit unionized skilled labor. i do not subscribe to DEI as it is defined today.

@tenente

if your union then who are you recruiting ?
the union provides you with labor
unless your a split shop or similar

so you do subscribe to DEI (irreguardless of how its defined)

@pdockal ok i'll try


My business recruits and selects union candidates to fulfill skilled labor roles. hiring for roles through the labor union is both efficient and very effective in my opinion, compared to how it's done in non-union businesses. but that's another topic 😁

Union members are free to apply for skilled labor openings in my business. My business recruits and selects the best union applicant for the role. It works really well because the union presents candidates that are educated and skilled in the positions the business needs. Tenue in my business is very long too.

My business is unionized. My customers and my business partners prefer it. precision metal fab is a very niche and capital intense business - I benefit greatly from having a union shop

It's an interesting question. I say: "I try to treat everyone fairly regardless of background." But the counter argument that I encounter frequently is: fair according to who? fair according to what standard? This is where I struggle with "DEI" because it's not a proxy for "fair" and it is simultaneously used as a banner commandeered for any platform of the day (political, social, etc.. ). On "DEI", I have opinions, and endless debates depending on the audience or agenda

that was fun

@gol979 you’re right. Pigmentation shouldn’t be a factor.

But it is.

And at the moment DEI is the only thing that tries to address the balance.

The amount of non-whites passed over for a job even if they are qualified FAR exceeds the number of DEI hires that companies have to make.

Musk knows this, of course, but by pandering to Americans’ inherent racism, he’s able to provide the distraction he needs to fully take control.

@Mesthartiya "americans' inherent racism". Thats a bold statement. Incorrect imo.

Musk and co are using DEI to play both partisan sides

@gol979 Well, I will say that Musk is not playing to anyone to the left of, say, Hannity. That should be obvious.

Also, regarding inherent racism, I will say that Trump's "Base" in the Deep South and Midwest were always the sort of people who claimed they were never going to fall for the patter of a slick, fast-talking New Yorker like Trump.

So what did he pander to in order to get them onside? It was obvious from 2016.

@Softy1 I know.

@Mesthartiya I do know that Doge is overstepping. They are making decisions that they don’t have a right to! I think anyway.

@trash So your answer would be the second one then.