A question for those who want to see DEI abandoned...What sort of society do you actually want?

So you don't want the best of the best irregardless of their skin color etc ?????

@pdockal that's a good question. i own and operate a precision metal fabrication business in NY state with just under 50 employees. skilled trade positions are highly competitive in my industry and I offer wages and compensation to keep those employees happy. the tenure for the skilled trades is 7 years avg. when i need to recruit a skilled trade, my hiring decisions focus on demonstrated skill through accomplishments, up to date accreditation / certification and their work ethic. i get asked a lot by people: how much culture and diversity factor into my hiring decision. if the candidate isn't intelligent, or isn't hard working, or has a criminal record then that candidate generally doesn't have a cv that get's them into the recruiting cycle. there are times, through network connections and other relationships that a candidate who doesn't meet the job description gets into phase 1 of recruitment but hiring skilled trades is so competitive they don't progress beyond that. I would say, i want the best of the best, and the ethnicity and cultural background doesn't play a part in the recruitment and retention process. does that make sense?

@tenente

sounds like your NON UNION which is a much different discussion
but it still sounds like you prescribe to DEI

@pdockal i am a union member (millwright 11 years). i own and operate a unionized precision metal fabrication business. i recruit unionized skilled labor. i do not subscribe to DEI as it is defined today.

@tenente

if your union then who are you recruiting ?
the union provides you with labor
unless your a split shop or similar

so you do subscribe to DEI (irreguardless of how its defined)

@pdockal ok i'll try


My business recruits and selects union candidates to fulfill skilled labor roles. hiring for roles through the labor union is both efficient and very effective in my opinion, compared to how it's done in non-union businesses. but that's another topic 😁

Union members are free to apply for skilled labor openings in my business. My business recruits and selects the best union applicant for the role. It works really well because the union presents candidates that are educated and skilled in the positions the business needs. Tenue in my business is very long too.

My business is unionized. My customers and my business partners prefer it. precision metal fab is a very niche and capital intense business - I benefit greatly from having a union shop

It's an interesting question. I say: "I try to treat everyone fairly regardless of background." But the counter argument that I encounter frequently is: fair according to who? fair according to what standard? This is where I struggle with "DEI" because it's not a proxy for "fair" and it is simultaneously used as a banner commandeered for any platform of the day (political, social, etc.. ). On "DEI", I have opinions, and endless debates depending on the audience or agenda

that was fun