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calicuz · 56-60, M
It's definitely the beginnings of, and the foundation of such an extreme political ideology. It has several of the defining elements of Fascism.
1: Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
2: Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of “need.” The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, and long incarcerations of prisoners.
3: Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists…
4: Supremacy of the Military
Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.
5: Rampant Sexism
The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation.
6: Controlled Mass Media
Sometimes the media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation or by sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Government censorship and secrecy, especially in war time, are very common.
7: Obsession with National Security
Fear of hostile foreign powers is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.
8: Religion and Government are Intertwined
Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government’s policies or actions.
9: Protection of Corporate Power
The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
10: Suppression of Labor Power
Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed .
11: Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.
12: Obsession with Crime and Punishment
Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.
13: Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
14: Fraudulent Elections
Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.
1: Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
2: Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of “need.” The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, and long incarcerations of prisoners.
3: Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists…
4: Supremacy of the Military
Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.
5: Rampant Sexism
The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation.
6: Controlled Mass Media
Sometimes the media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation or by sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Government censorship and secrecy, especially in war time, are very common.
7: Obsession with National Security
Fear of hostile foreign powers is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.
8: Religion and Government are Intertwined
Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government’s policies or actions.
9: Protection of Corporate Power
The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
10: Suppression of Labor Power
Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed .
11: Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.
12: Obsession with Crime and Punishment
Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.
13: Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
14: Fraudulent Elections
Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.
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Roundandroundwego · 61-69
@calicuz the Democratic party certainly puts no distance between itself and corporatism or fascism.
calicuz · 56-60, M
@Roundandroundwego
Please stop calling them fascists, it doesn't help your argument, or allow others to take your points seriously.
Please stop calling them fascists, it doesn't help your argument, or allow others to take your points seriously.
calicuz · 56-60, M
@Roundandroundwego
In regards to Mussolini, you fail to see that his brand of fascism also failed, so I'd stop using a failures definition of terms.
In regards to Mussolini, you fail to see that his brand of fascism also failed, so I'd stop using a failures definition of terms.
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
Yep!
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
@Roundandroundwego No they're neoliberals. Fascism doesn't mean "bad". Read the Umberto Eco essay.
I have great contempt for the Democrats but calling them fascist just strips the word of any meaning.
I have great contempt for the Democrats but calling them fascist just strips the word of any meaning.
Roundandroundwego · 61-69
@CountScrofula neo liberal and fascist seem politically identical at the moment. Definitely time to separate from my kind of leftist, have your purity and enable the genocidal empire to remain normalized! Dems not fascist and my bad - the West cannot have a problem with what it's doing.
I'm stripped of any desire to get Western man to understand or like peace. You definitely win!
I'm stripped of any desire to get Western man to understand or like peace. You definitely win!
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
@Roundandroundwego Dude I'm a radical leftist. Chill.
Dino11 · M
Trump (45,47) 40% Swing State EC mandate,
The American People Want to MAGA,
No more WOKE America Last Liberal
BS,
The American People Want to MAGA,
No more WOKE America Last Liberal
BS,
@Spotpot Still enough to win by ec landslide.
Spotpot · 41-45, M
@NativePortlander1970 What landslide victory.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
Inchoate fascism.
It means emerging and not fully formed.
I can't stress enough that it's more important to look at the process, than the end state or whether there is cosplay with swastikas and jackboots.
It means emerging and not fully formed.
I can't stress enough that it's more important to look at the process, than the end state or whether there is cosplay with swastikas and jackboots.
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@sunsporter1649 You should join the BJP.
calicuz · 56-60, M
TheOneyouwerewarnedabout · 46-50, MVIP
Blah blah blah. If the left didn’t have double standards, they’d have none..
TheOneyouwerewarnedabout · 46-50, MVIP
@calicuz I’m sorry . I can’t hear you over the arresting old ladies outside abortion clinics. Or parents who show up at school board meetings brah..
If your side has done nothing wrong they got nothing to worry about right?
As your side said every day for 4 years.
‘Nobody is above the law’
Right?
Or we doing that double standard thing?
If your side has done nothing wrong they got nothing to worry about right?
As your side said every day for 4 years.
‘Nobody is above the law’
Right?
Or we doing that double standard thing?
calicuz · 56-60, M
@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout
So if they successfully do away with democracy, are you ready to move here and live under the MAGA regime?
And I'm not mocking you my friend, I am genuinely asking because I often wonder how MAGA gets so much foreign support.
So if they successfully do away with democracy, are you ready to move here and live under the MAGA regime?
And I'm not mocking you my friend, I am genuinely asking because I often wonder how MAGA gets so much foreign support.
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PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
In a word. Yes.
kutee · T
yes
Bumbles · 51-55, M
Yes, fascism is adapted as needed. MAGA is an American variant.
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
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TheOneyouwerewarnedabout · 46-50, MVIP
@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout You commented with the wrong poster...
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@sunsporter1649 That's about it
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
RFK
@sunsporter1649 When a legacy dem switches parties, that says everything right there.
swirlie · 31-35, F
Naw, the MAGA crowd are just a bunch of lost little lambs with nowhere to go, bah, bah, bah... 🐑
Kenworth4954 · 56-60, M
@swirlie ok my dear what are you basing this strange observation of yours on? Surely this isn't just 3rd grade level attempt at manipulation is it?
swirlie · 31-35, F
@Kenworth4954
Oh nothing at all! I was just asking you a question, that's all!
Oh nothing at all! I was just asking you a question, that's all!
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So then, what was the dem lawfare against Trump as well as their war against conservative values, hmmm?
Spotpot · 41-45, M
@NativePortlander1970 Trump is definitely doesent stand for american conservative values Liz Cheney does.
kutee · T
@NativePortlander1970 he was convicted like any criminal, will trump be freeing all convictes now
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