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Zelenskyy is accepting defeat

In an interview with Sky News, Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelenskyy recently said Ukraine may have to cede territory. He recognizes Trump may want him to cede Kharkov, Donbass, Kherson, Crimea, and is preparing for it. He said he will be willing to do this if the rest of Ukraine can join NATO. This part is irrelevant, as Zelenskyy knows the rest of Ukraine cannot join NATO. He is only saying this to make it sound better to Ukrainians still willing to fight. His comments to Sky News reveal a willingness to make a peace deal which involves ceding territory. With or without Trump, Ukraine is losing and Zelenskyy knows this.

For those interested, Kharkov is the second-largest city in Ukraine.
emiliya · 22-25, F
@NativePortlander1970 “If you worked for the NSA then I can run a three minute mile.”

He has a troll username, a troll avatar, and told a troll lie about working for NSA.
@emiliya Exactly, I am a terminal cardiolulmonary patient on assisted oxygen 24/7, that's why I said what I said, it takes me ten minutes to walk 1/10th of a mile.
Wtf is Putin's problem anyway? And now he wants to join the terrorist regime? 🙁 I feel sorry for the Russians and the North Koreans being forced to fight Ukraine.. none of this should have happened..
emiliya · 22-25, F
@BohemianBabe This woman loves Israel. She is not Jewish, so I have no idea why. I want to know why she thinks Putin is a bad man while celebrating Israel and Netanyahu. How can you criticize Russia, yet applaud Israel?
@emiliya That's fair. I checked her profile, she is a big fan of genocide when Israel does it.
But without acknowledging what Russia is doing, then this is still whataboutism. And you have defended Putin's imperialism before.
If justice were universal, Netanyahu and Putin would both be in prison.
AgentOfChaos · 36-40, M
@BohemianBabe The facts are there for all to see if they are interested.

NATO was and has always been an issue in Russia long before Putin was president. Good old Jen's Stoltenberg noted that Putin made a request to NATO, not to attempt to make Ukraine a member State and he would NOT go into Ukraine. 3 requests if I'm not mistaken. They (NATO) refused to oblige such a request.


So any narrative trying to make this about empire is just willfully is just parroting western propaganda.

- Jens Stoltenberg (2023)

Mind you when the SMO began we were all told that NATO expansion was a none-issue,

and Putin was just a madman out to restore his dream of the USSR. Haha. Then Jens goes and opens his dumbass mouth.
carpediem · 61-69, M
Putin will never accept Ukraine as a member of NATO. That was the driver for this war in the first place. Zelensky should start buying furniture for his Florida mansion he bought with cash handed over to him by the Biden folks. Ukraine is finished.
Zelenskyy met with Trump a couple of months prior to the election...not with Biden or Harris...with Trump. This suggests Z knew that Trump was likely going to win, and was prepping for future peace talks...despite what the media spin. The war going to end, the question is around what terms.
What does working for Putin pay? Is it a side job or full career?
Until or unless he accepts a deal without NATO membership being included then this is just speculation on your part. It's a narrative, nothing more.
SinlessOnslaught · 26-30, M
@BadAssTunaBotHoe I recognize the heat this may cause, and I don't intend for that to keep burning, but I do wonder what her response to this would be.
zonavar68 · 56-60, M
There's only so long a puppet state of the USA can be propped up.
@emiliya To stop your boss from murdering anymore innocent women and children. Easy question. Got anything harder?
emiliya · 22-25, F
@anythingoes477 my boss is a murderer?
AgentOfChaos · 36-40, M
@anythingoes477 Your boss, the CIA, is far worse. Go sort yourself out before pointing fingers.
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
Why can a sovereign state not make a democratic decision about its own defence arrangements? Does the same apply to Finland and Sweden? Is Russia entitled to invade these countries too?
emiliya · 22-25, F
@SunshineGirl There is nothing democratic about NATO. It is a military alliance that was created to bully Russia. If countries want to have strong defense, they should build it themselves. Do you think the West would encourage this? Everything has to be on their terms; it all has to be beneficial to them. US does not want independent nations.
AuRevoir · 36-40, M
Him willing to cede the parts of the territories where the populace wanted to return to Russia, isn’t much of a trade off tbh…
emiliya · 22-25, F
@AuRevoir Why wasn't he willing to do it 34 months ago?
justanothername · 51-55, M
Putin propaganda fan, nothing more nothing less.
justanothername · 51-55, M
@hippyjoe1955 All of Russias nukes would blow up in the silos first.
That’s already been proven.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@justanothername So you didn't see the results of the Russian Hazel missile? You know the hypersonic one with 36 war heads that reduced to a scrap heap a huge factory in Kiev?
AgentOfChaos · 36-40, M
@justanothername So will America intercept its own malfunctioning nukes given that is exactly what happened last year? I mean, it's been proven...🤷‍♂🤦‍♂
emiliya · 22-25, F
I have been blocked by two users who commented on this post. They should write to Zelenskyy and insist Ukraine keeps fighting! They want to see Ukraine fight until it has nothing left, which it is already close to.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
Not really he still wants NATO on Ukrainian soil which in large part was the reason for this war to begin with.
emiliya · 22-25, F
@hippyjoe1955 Zelenskyy can see the writing on the wall. US will have different leadership in January and he will have to give up on NATO membership if he wants to stay alive.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@emiliya Who knows what Trump will do. Look at his advisers. I don't trust any of them
When you put what trump says he wants for Ukraine in the context of.....what would a good little buttboy do for his boss Putin? It all makes sense.
Unlearn · 41-45, M
He might achieve greater success by aligning with Russia instead of pursuing NATO membership.
emiliya · 22-25, F
@Unlearn He can still be a puppet to the warmongering elites in Europe, but if he has any sense he will try to get closer to Putin now. The only way UK and France can help Ukraine is by putting their troops on the ground in Ukraine, which will ignite war with Russia. They will have to accept a peace deal between Zelenskyy and Putin. He has anticipated this before they have.

After this war is finished, Ukrainians will be angry at Zelenskyy for wasting so many lives. It will have all been for nothing. I guess he can blame Trump and lack of American support.
astrosandorbits · 26-30, M
MarineBob · 56-60, M
Can ukraine even afford NATO dues
Richard65 · M
@MarineBob I imagine membership of NATO will allow the US to place bases on Ukrainian territory. That's perhaps more valuable than whether they pay a percentage of GDP to America for "protection". That's what America gets in return - countries that allow the US to maintain a presence on their soil. That's what unnerved Putin about the possibility of Ukraine joining NATO. American troops on his doorstep.
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MarineBob · 56-60, M
@MarmeeMarch we don't need them or the U.N.
Monday40 · 51-55, F
This is sad .
Justenjoyit · 61-69, M
I think Ukraine has no choice than to give up something. No one in Europe will want Ukraine to lose completely.
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emiliya · 22-25, F
@TheShanachie Do you disagree with Zelenskyy? Do you want Ukraine to keep fighting? Would you force them to fight?
TheShanachie · 61-69, M
@emiliya you bore me
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hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@SunshineGirl Did Poland have a referendum? If so what was the results? Putin waited several years after the referenda in Ukraine.
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
@hippyjoe1955 Hitler required no ballot. He was guided by a "higher" destiny.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@SunshineGirl As does Zelinsky whose mandate as president ran out months ago.
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