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Zelenskyy is accepting defeat

In an interview with Sky News, Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelenskyy recently said Ukraine may have to cede territory. He recognizes Trump may want him to cede Kharkov, Donbass, Kherson, Crimea, and is preparing for it. He said he will be willing to do this if the rest of Ukraine can join NATO. This part is irrelevant, as Zelenskyy knows the rest of Ukraine cannot join NATO. He is only saying this to make it sound better to Ukrainians still willing to fight. His comments to Sky News reveal a willingness to make a peace deal which involves ceding territory. With or without Trump, Ukraine is losing and Zelenskyy knows this.

For those interested, Kharkov is the second-largest city in Ukraine.
Putin stooge.
ImNotHungry · 36-40, M
@trollslayer Yes, and?
ImNotHungry · 36-40, M
@MaBalzEsHari Typical CIA bot response
specman · 51-55, M
@i197818202223i https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/11/29/zelensky-russia-war-territory-ukraine/
Wtf is Putin's problem anyway? And now he wants to join the terrorist regime? 🙁 I feel sorry for the Russians and the North Koreans being forced to fight Ukraine.. none of this should have happened..
ImNotHungry · 36-40, M
@BohemianBabe No worries, how much time do you reckon you need to cry about it? I'm a patient man.
@ImNotHungry I dunno, dude, it's gonna be a while.
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@ImNotHungry says
Putin made a request to NATO, not to attempt to make Ukraine a member State and he would NOT go into Ukraine. 3 requests if I'm not mistaken. They (NATO) refused to oblige such a request.
DUUUDE!!!
That's not how NATO works!! Nations petition to join NATO, and member nations vote. NATO doesn't ask.

AND

You, and Putin, seem to be forgetting a three-way treaty known as the 1994 Budapest Memorandum.

Essentially, Ukraine agreed to give up all its nuclear weapons to Russia in exchange for safety from a U.S. or Russian invasion. Russia's invasion of Ukraine violates that treaty. And as a signatory to that 1994 Budapest Memorandum, the U.S. has a definite interest in righting Putin's current wrongs.

In the final version of the deal, Russia promised not to attack Ukraine. While the U.S. and the U.K. assured Ukraine they would aid if it was attacked by Russia, that promised aid did not guarantee military support like a NATO country would receive.

In 2009, Russia and the U.S. announced that the assurances in the Budapest Memorandum would continue to remain in effect in the future.
https://www.verifythis.com/article/news/verify/global-conflicts/ukraine-agreed-to-give-up-nukes-in-exchange-for-safety-from-russia-invasion-attack-budapest-memorandum-treaty/536-8748a51f-10ee-47f0-be30-b4088750ee44

Russia promised specifically NOT to invade Ukraine, and the U.S. promised specifically to ASSIST Ukraine if the treaty were ever violated. And that's what the U.S. is doing now.
@ElwoodBlues Fascists think that NATO invaded and annexed every country in it.
carpediem · 61-69, M
Putin will never accept Ukraine as a member of NATO. That was the driver for this war in the first place. Zelensky should start buying furniture for his Florida mansion he bought with cash handed over to him by the Biden folks. Ukraine is finished.
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
Why can a sovereign state not make a democratic decision about its own defence arrangements? Does the same apply to Finland and Sweden? Is Russia entitled to invade these countries too?
ronisme1 · 61-69, M
@i197818202223i then why is putin making military alliances with Syria, north korea and china and a few others? For defense, same as europe and the usa
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
@i197818202223i It is a military alliance that was built as a counter-weight in Europe to the power of the Soviet Union. In the 1990s, as the Soviet empire collapsed chaotically, it provided some semblance of order and security in the Balkans and stopped war from spreading to the rest of Europe. Absolutely nothing to do with "bullying" Russia, except if you take the view that only Russia is permitted to defend herself militarily.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@SunshineGirl It is an American controlled international armed forces who operates at the behest of the American power brokers who in turn are controlled by Israeli money. There simply is no need for Ukraine to be in NATO or under the thumb of American/Israeli financial interests. It was doing quite well as a nation after the fall of the Soviet Union until the long term plans of the money men became reality.
Zelenskyy met with Trump a couple of months prior to the election...not with Biden or Harris...with Trump. This suggests Z knew that Trump was likely going to win, and was prepping for future peace talks...despite what the media spin. The war going to end, the question is around what terms.
trollslayer · 46-50, M
Appeasement! Worked sooooo well with H1tler.
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
@i197818202223i Hmm . . and I guess by the same measure you would contend there is no war in Ukraine until a NATO country engages directly with Russia. The invasion of Poland, using similar pretexts to Russia's invasion of Ukraine, followed six years in which Hitler attempted unsuccessfully to goad Poland into starting a proxy war with the USSR. Like Putin, he cultivated a racist ideology in which Poland had no right to exist as a sovereign nation.

What country could have survived being carved up by two super-power neighbours? Poland did not surrender though and members of the Polish resistance (among them my grandfather) later helped to defeat Germany.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@SunshineGirl This war is all about NATO breaking its word. 1990 NATO promised to not move 1 inch 25.4 mm east. Then there is the problem of Ukrainians slaughtering Ukrainians for the unforgivable sin of speaking Russian at home.
Royrogers · 61-69, M
@SunshineGirl this is very good to hear. Respect to your grandfather
zonavar68 · 56-60, M
There's only so long a puppet state of the USA (Ukraine, Israel, Iraq, Nicaragua, etc.) can be propped up.

Puppet states come and go. Some stay (like Hawaii) in perpetuity.
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ronisme1 · 61-69, M
@i197818202223i nato is funding the war against russia, not just the USA
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
After ten years of war, russia is infesting only 18% of Ukraine's territory.

russia chose the slow-motion way to win a war, huh? 😂

Meanwhile, in russia, you can get a mortgage at a rate of 28%, the US dollar sells for 118 roubles (twice what it once cost), factories, refineries, etc cannot operate because they can't get the parts, those factories which can operate don't have the staff because their former staff are dead in Ukraine, using the airlines is a high-risk gamble (no parts and no maintenance staff), inflation is rampant, and russia can't sell export goods because other countries (especially China) won't transfer payment due to the risk of secondary sanctions.
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i197818202223i · 22-25, F
@newjaninev2 You sound like a rabid nationalist. Many Ukrainians speak Russian, and some would say they are Russian. It doesn't matter. Ukraine is losing the war and cannot win the war without western troops on the ground. The numbers are important. Ukraine has fewer men and fewer resources. You think Russian economy has taken a beating, but have you seen the state of Ukraine? Russia has built a war economy and it is doing well. We still sell oil and gas to the world. Europe still ends up using Russian oil and gas. When the war is over, the interest rates will normalize as the economy will no longer be centered around the war.

In the same way it was impossible for Kamala Harris to overtake Trump in the election once the votes started coming in, it is impossible for Ukraine to defeat Russia. There is no need to get emotional about it. Find a new foreign country thousands of miles away from your own to be obsessed with.
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What does working for Putin pay? Is it a side job or full career?
Until or unless he accepts a deal without NATO membership being included then this is just speculation on your part. It's a narrative, nothing more.
@BadAssTunaBotHoe I recognize the heat this may cause, and I don't intend for that to keep burning, but I do wonder what her response to this would be.
AuRevoir · 36-40, M
Him willing to cede the parts of the territories where the populace wanted to return to Russia, isn’t much of a trade off tbh…
i197818202223i · 22-25, F
@AuRevoir Why wasn't he willing to do it 34 months ago?
justanothername · 51-55, M
Putin propaganda fan, nothing more nothing less.
justanothername · 51-55, M
@hippyjoe1955 All of Russias nukes would blow up in the silos first.
That’s already been proven.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@justanothername So you didn't see the results of the Russian Hazel missile? You know the hypersonic one with 36 war heads that reduced to a scrap heap a huge factory in Kiev?
ImNotHungry · 36-40, M
@justanothername So will America intercept its own malfunctioning nukes given that is exactly what happened last year? I mean, it's been proven...🤷‍♂🤦‍♂
specman · 51-55, M
I’m only asking because I don’t know the answer, but why can’t Ukraine join NATO? I don’t have any angle on the answer or the question.
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
@carpediem Gorbachev tried to insist that re-unified Germany would not inherit West Germany's seat in NATO. This was resisted but Germany did scale down its armed forces. NATO is a coalition of sovereign states. The treaty parties could not have made any such guarantee, even if they wanted to.
i197818202223i · 22-25, F
@specman NATO is a western military alliance and Russia does not want it on its doorstep. There is no need for Ukraine to join. NATO has gone far enough.
carpediem · 61-69, M
@SunshineGirl The US made it. “Not another inch” was the phrase. They lied.
i197818202223i · 22-25, F
I have been blocked by two users who commented on this post. They should write to Zelenskyy and insist Ukraine keeps fighting! They want to see Ukraine fight until it has nothing left, which it is already close to.
ronisme1 · 61-69, M
@i197818202223i it is a stalemate.same as the election was very close also. (Popular vote)
Royrogers · 61-69, M
Zelensky has plenty to bargain with. N korea will lose interest as it’s own soldiers have suffered. And putin has lost so much. Also Zelenssky knows how much he has damaged Russia
@Royrogers Yet he's willing to cede territory, he knows he lost
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@NativePortlander1970 You're ignoring context and hypothetical conditions... cherry-picking and quote-mining will do nothing to save russia from what is coming.

Lost?

Day 1,021 😂
ronisme1 · 61-69, M
Where are you hearing this news. Yes, he said he may if Ukraine can join NATO now only. The latest is England and France may send troops to fight with Ukraine now.
i197818202223i · 22-25, F
@ronisme1 “The latest is England and France may send troops to fight with Ukraine now.”

If they did this, Macron and Starmer will be facing their demise. Macron is likely to be voted out in 2027, if not before then. France is a mess. Le Pen will probably become their next president. If UK engages in another disastrous conflict, it will bring further ruination to their country. The British army said they could not last more than a year in major war.
Unlearn · 41-45, M
He might achieve greater success by aligning with Russia instead of pursuing NATO membership.
i197818202223i · 22-25, F
@Unlearn He can still be a puppet to the warmongering elites in Europe, but if he has any sense he will try to get closer to Putin now. The only way UK and France can help Ukraine is by putting their troops on the ground in Ukraine, which will ignite war with Russia. They will have to accept a peace deal between Zelenskyy and Putin. He has anticipated this before they have.

After this war is finished, Ukrainians will be angry at Zelenskyy for wasting so many lives. It will have all been for nothing. I guess he can blame Trump and lack of American support.
ronisme1 · 61-69, M
@i197818202223i trump may sell the usa to the highest bidder for cash. That is what he wants. He is putting the richest men in america to help him run america. Not the smartest or the best qualified
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
Not really he still wants NATO on Ukrainian soil which in large part was the reason for this war to begin with.
i197818202223i · 22-25, F
@hippyjoe1955 Zelenskyy can see the writing on the wall. US will have different leadership in January and he will have to give up on NATO membership if he wants to stay alive.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@i197818202223i Who knows what Trump will do. Look at his advisers. I don't trust any of them
When you put what trump says he wants for Ukraine in the context of.....what would a good little buttboy do for his boss Putin? It all makes sense.
astrosandorbits · 26-30, M
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PeterF15 · 13-15, M
I wonder if Putin would agree with some part of Ukraine joining NATO...
ImNotHungry · 36-40, M
@PeterF15 100 percent, no.
Fairydust · F
He’s an actor playing a part, helping money launder taxes.

The world’s a stage.
MarineBob · 56-60, M
Can ukraine even afford NATO dues
Richard65 · M
@MarineBob I imagine membership of NATO will allow the US to place bases on Ukrainian territory. That's perhaps more valuable than whether they pay a percentage of GDP to America for "protection". That's what America gets in return - countries that allow the US to maintain a presence on their soil. That's what unnerved Putin about the possibility of Ukraine joining NATO. American troops on his doorstep.
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MarineBob · 56-60, M
@MarmeeMarch we don't need them or the U.N.
Having the war was victorious.
Secretsmile · 51-55, F
This is sad .
Justenjoyit · 61-69, M
I think Ukraine has no choice than to give up something. No one in Europe will want Ukraine to lose completely.
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i197818202223i · 22-25, F
@TheShanachie Do you disagree with Zelenskyy? Do you want Ukraine to keep fighting? Would you force them to fight?
TheShanachie · 61-69, M
@i197818202223i you bore me
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SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
@hippyjoe1955 Hitler required no ballot. He was guided by a "higher" destiny.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@SunshineGirl As does Zelinsky whose mandate as president ran out months ago.
ronisme1 · 61-69, M
@i197818202223i russia is starting this war. Inviting north korea to fight makes it more global. It is spiraling out of control thanks to Russia
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