Zelenskyy is accepting defeat

@YoMomma What is Netanyahu's problem? Why does Israel interfere in affairs of other countries? Why do they fund Syrian rebels? Why are they killing Palestinians?

@SW-User

@BohemianBabe This woman loves Israel. She is not Jewish, so I have no idea why. I want to know why she thinks Putin is a bad man while celebrating Israel and Netanyahu. How can you criticize Russia, yet applaud Israel?

@SW-User That's fair. I checked her profile, she is a big fan of genocide when Israel does it.
But without acknowledging what Russia is doing, then this is still whataboutism. And you have defended Putin's imperialism before.
If justice were universal, Netanyahu and Putin would both be in prison.

@BohemianBabe The facts are there for all to see if they are interested.

NATO was and has always been an issue in Russia long before Putin was president. Good old Jen's Stoltenberg noted that Putin made a request to NATO, not to attempt to make Ukraine a member State and he would NOT go into Ukraine. 3 requests if I'm not mistaken. They (NATO) refused to oblige such a request.


So any narrative trying to make this about empire is just willfully ignorant and parroting western propaganda.

- Jens Stoltenberg (2023)

Mind you when the SMO began we were all told that NATO expansion was a none-issue,

and Putin was just a madman out to restore his dream of the USSR. Haha. Then Jens goes and opens his dumbass mouth.

@ImNotHungry
That's insane. Ukraine is a sovereign country, they can join NATO if they want. This is like saying if you build a garden in your backyard, I'm going to invade your house. Going ahead and building a garden doesn't then justify me breaking in.

@BohemianBabe Surely you are not this naive... So can Canada and Mexico join a military alliance with Russia and China? 😂🤦‍♂

Also you're wrong, Ukraine WAS a sovereign state until the west usurped it and installed a pro west puppet government in 2014.

@ImNotHungry Yes. That would be bad, but we can't just invade Canada or Mexico because they've done something bad.


Source?

@BohemianBabe
At this point you have to be a complete mush-brain to not know this. Where have you been? Maybe you are still a young man[media=https://youtu.be/JoW75J5bnnE]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957

@BohemianBabe the part where they actually discuss and make plans for who should go in government. Sovereign country was your claim, remember?. Did you actually listen AND read the BBC article that so carefully transcripted and discussed it? This is why I usually don't play the "source" game because no matter what, all you have to claim is "nah-ah". Yet with your chest pumped up you will claim imperial pursuits on behalf of Moscow. No evidence other than your feelings are hurt because poor Ukraine.

are you always this slow? Are you incapable of following a simple train of thought? Maybe you don't know what happened during the Cuban missile crisis. Is that it?

@ImNotHungry
But you understand they're not talking about taking over Ukraine and undemocratically installing people in the government, right?
I'd had debates here about who the Democrats should have nominated to run against Trump. That doesn't mean I was behind the nomination of Harris, but then I installed Trump as president.


I do, but that has nothing to do with Russia invading Ukraine. Is your argument that Russia had to invade Ukraine because America set up nukes in Ukraine to aim at Russia?

@BohemianBabe Maybe you are indeed that naive. Suppose it was Russia on the recording, would your analysis be so generous or would it be damning evidence of Russian meddling? 🤣😂


What happened during the Cuban missile crisis? I wanna see if you truly understand what you are talking about.

@BohemianBabe
You do understand that you don't need to set up nukes on the border of an enemy state to achieve a strategic defeat? Do you know why the USSR opted for nukes instead of conventional weapons or military base?

@BohemianBabe Need help understanding why the USSR opted for nukes?

@ImNotHungry
Yeah, this is a common tactic when people don't have evidence for a claim. All of a sudden, we don't need evidence because it's "common knowledge."


You keep trying to change the topic. Do you think America is using Ukraine as a base to attack Russia?

@ImNotHungry
I didn't say "nah-ah." I acknowledged that American meddled in Ukraine's elections, as many countries do, but that isn't evidence of your original claim, which was that America usurped and installed Ukraine's president.
When Russia made troll farms to help Trump get elected in 2016, that was Russia meddling in America's elections. But does that mean Russia actually bypassed the election and installed Trump as president? Of course not.


Look, if you want to talk about Cuba or the Cold War, you can make a post about those topics. This post is about the war between Russia and Ukraine. If you have a point you want to make involving Cuba, just say it. But I'm guessing you won't, because you know your claim about America usurping Ukraine was wrong.

@ImNotHungry
I'm guessing you just posted a bunch of junk that you didn't read, because a color revolution has nothing to do with your original claim. If Americans participated in a color revolution in Ukraine, that still doesn't mean the president of Ukraine was installed by America.


At least you admit it.

So since you're not going to present evidence of your claim, just level with me here. Are you siding with Russia because you're fascist, or are you just against whatever side America is on?

@BohemianBabe Further confirmation that you are a smooth brain. Euromaidan, Nulands freshly baked delicious cookies.... Ring a Bell? Ring ding ding anybody home? I figured Nulands call with Pyatt who starts off by saying "we're in play" would help lead you along. I guess I expected too much of you, eh? I wonder, when you request evidence of me, do you expect me to do your entire homework for you? 🤔🤨


Oh goodness you sweet summer child, that is the entire POINT of a colour revolution. You think colour revs are for shits and giggles? 🤦‍♂😂🤣


"At least you admit it"

Why not take the complete quote? 😂

And don't think I haven't noticed you ducking my request for evidence of your claims regarding Russia.

Yes I love fascism...in fact I think I have a thing for communism as well with a dash of socialism to sweeten the deal. Add whatever other -ism you want to troll me with as an attempt to cut and run.

Now that I've entertained your troll questions, are you going to answer my questions? 😁 Somehow I doubt it.

@ImNotHungry
No, the point of a color revolution is to influence the public to elect the person or party that you support, usually in the context of a western-style Democracy. That's not the same as installing someone.
You're so desperate to claim that America controls Ukraine, that you're resorting to any kind of influence that America has in Ukraine as proof that Ukraine is a puppet-state.
Again, this would be like saying Viktor Orbán is installing Trump as president because Orbán expressed support for Trump.


Because the rest was just more deflection. You brought up Cuba to try to deflect from Ukraine, at least now you're admitting it.


Refusing to answer the question... interesting...