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Good job, Britain. The rest of the world should follow.

4meAndyou · F
This is an example for the entire world to follow. PROTECT the children from harmful fads at all costs!!!

The prevention of puberty results in brittle bone disease, and many other harmful conditions, such as thyroid problems.
MommyLucy · 36-40, F
@4meAndyou As someone with mild autism I fully advocate for more acceptance and understanding for the lovely LGBTQ community because autistic people often want acceptance too and I read an article weeks ago saying often autistic people secretly want to be members of LGBTQ even when they are not gay, lesbian or trans because both LGBTQ people and people with autism want acceptance so I completely agreed with that article and I want to be a member myself even though I have a husband and do not fit the criteria either! 😝😝😝 But asking to keep things age appropriate is NOT being unaccepting at all as childhood is a time to treasure and there are plenty of ways to expose children to people in the lovely LGBTQ community without exposing them to the adult sexual side! 😇😇😇 I get upset that a few Conservatives get mad about gay or lesbian characters in animated kids cartoons because to me that is harmless and innocent and a totally acceptable way to expose children to LGBTQ stuff while still being age appropriate! 🌈🌈🌈 I also say if a pride parade is in a public place in the day time and small younger children are around please do not dress in super sexual outfits! 🙄🙄🙄 I actually believe it is good to take children to pride parades to teach them about how we are all different but how can I support that when the odd few (most lovely LGBTQ members do not do this) are dressed super sexual! 😩😩😩 I actually LOVE the LGBTQ community and think they are awesome but to get them truly more accepted by everyone they need to keep things age appropriate which they can totally do I'm sure! 🤗🤗🤗
4meAndyou · F
@MommyLucy I am so sorry not to be able to agree with you entirely. My own brother is gay, but he is a relatively conservative gay person. I am a very old fashioned liberal, with an extremely broad conservative streak. I believe each gay person is deserving of love and respect, and they deserve to have love in their lives. Most LGBTQ people live very quietly, and they do not want all sorts of drama and they do not want adverse attention.
MommyLucy · 36-40, F
@4meAndyou Awwww! 💖💖💖 Of course I can accept that you do not agree with me completely! 💖💖💖 We all are different and are entitled to our opinions especially if those opinions cause no harm! 🤗🤗🤗 I think having a few gay or lesbian characters in a animated children's cartoon is a good way to keep things age appropriate while still teaching kids about LGBTQ but I understand if you don't agree! 😘😘😘
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
There was nothing faintly ideological about prescribing puberty blockers, which has been common medical practice for decades. Politicians declaring an "emergency" and ignoring objective scientific evidence . . now that seems highly ideological.
@SunshineGirl No, you want it left to peer pressure by udeological groups. That's what you mean. What co servatices are saing is leave it to a adult patient to make the decision with their doctor, not some child or teen being induced by peer pressure who will regret it later, as so many have. Have some humanity, actually care about these kids, don't mutilitate and sterilize them just because it is the liberal fashion of the month to do so.
@SunshineGirl bull. Having sex only after you grow up made people freaking weird - mostly girls.
onewithshoes · 22-25, F
@SunshineGirl The opinions of medical professions deserve a great deal of weight and indeed some deference, but they to are sobject to various pressures.and incentives. We should indeed respect their knowledge and experiencer, but we also need to remember that only a few short years ago a great number of them were pressured (or perhaps just 'swept along') into making some very tragic decisions regarding OxyContin.
MommyLucy · 36-40, F
I think the lovely LGBTQ community deserve love and acceptionce! 😇😇😇 That being said underage children should NOT be getting operations that take away body parts! 😥😥😥 I thought of a cool example for this! 😝😝😝 If a small child was given a toy of a horror movie character and this became my child's favourite toy then my child would be encouraged to play with that horror movie toy and I would buy him/her more horror movie action figures but my child would NOT be allowed to watch the horror movie those toys are based off until they are adults but that does NOT stop me from encouraging their interest in the horror movie characters because of their toys! 😁😁😁 Same if I had a transgender child that child of mine would be encouraged to be trans and be supported and have my full support to dress in opposite gender clothing as much as he/she wanted but absolutely NO WAY would he/she be allowed medical operations that remove body parts or reduce puberty because that is taking away a precious child's childhood which is child abuse and those methods should be for trans adults only NOT trans children who are still children! 💖💖💖 That being said trans kids still deserve nothing but unconditional love and acceptionce and they deserve to be encouraged to be themselves and I would fully support their trans lifestyle but only in an age appropriate way and I hope my view makes sense! 😇😇😇
onewithshoes · 22-25, F
@MommyLucy The balance between steering the path of a child and letting them find their own path is something each parent must find according to their own beliefs, but their always remains a duty to prevent children from doing anything to themselves that will have permanent consequences that they may later regret. A mother, for instance, who decided, for her own and her family's sake, to have her own perfectly healthy breasts removed to avoid a known future risk of cancer, would deserve to have her very difficult decision respected; but she would deserve even more respect for not permitting her teenage daughter to follow her in making the same choice for the same reason until she was an adult and old enough to truly understand the lifelong consequences.
MommyLucy · 36-40, F
@onewithshoes Awwwww! 💖💖💖 I agree completely! 🤗🤗🤗
MommyLucy · 36-40, F
@onewithshoes Please have a look at your private messages from me when you have time pretty please? 😘😘😘
I think in very carefully judged, isolated cases, and not for the intention of sex change, puberty blockers should be allowed, such as in a case of a extreme neurological syndrome or extensive brain or bodily damage where you gotta manipulate normal biological functioning for a minor. I literally can't think of a single actual medical situation, but I wouldn't want to prevent a highly intelligent doctor from using medications under such a circumstance. But I think most who would try for that exemption would try it for ideological reasons and just for a sex change on a minor.
@onewithshoes They work by blocking hormones, literally the same way birth control pills work. The only difference is the targeted hormone and the biological function controled by said hormones.

They are no more likely to do permanent harm than a teen girl on the pill.
onewithshoes · 22-25, F
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow
I only meant to call attention to the obvious finality of cutting off body parts.
The long term effects of pharmaceuticals can only be known through long term observation.
@onewithshoes Cutting off anything is irrelevant because puberty blockers have nothing to do with that.


Anyone who thinks it does doesn't know enough about the subject to make an educated statement.


Again, you and OP are the ones claiming the pills do permanent damage. There is zero evidence to support that so I require zero evidence to dismiss that claim.


And lets cut the crap. This is about conservatives feeling uncomfortable this has nothing to do with caring about the health of anyone.

Especially when we know not treating gender dysphoria results in large numbers of suicide and self harm.

And to be blunt if you listen to the words of many people behind this purely political movement they know this and are totally cool with suicide among trans youth skyrocketing.

Some even imply that is the point.


There is also the problem that people will also be forced to go looking elsewhere and start using dangerous stuff like "bathtub estrogen" without any medical supervision.

Just like refusing to give pain patients legal meds under doctor supervision caused a spike in heroine use.

This issue is not going to go away. It will just push people to self harm or to consider more dangerous options.
Wireman · 31-35, M
Yes, and who said what was safe and efficient?
They almost got me on puberty blockers at age ten, long long ago for growing up too soon, not being tall and skinny enough for my parents. The strict low calorie diet stopped my period nicely but growing stopped, too. My Dad, poor him, really was forced to dump me.
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@onewithshoes Sudden desire to change gender? That is not a thing.

And whether you are personally uncomfortable with someone else's medical decisions is frankly irrelevant.


There are way more people who would love to take away your reproductive rights and dictate when and if you have a child based on the same feelings or ideological positions.


And OP doesn't even understand the subject enough to know the entire point of puberty blockers is an alternative to gender re-assignment surgery. They are not the same thing.

OP also pretends the effects are permanent which is like claiming birth control makes a woman permanently infertile.

And just because you suddenly are away that trans people exist doesn't mean it is fashionable or some fear mongering about a social contagion.

Do you have any idea how hard it is for even an adult to transition?

Oh and these minors everyone is freaking out about.

The only cases of gender re-assignment with minors are in the single digits and we are talking 17 year olds that would have made the same decision in a matter of months.


It is also weird how conservatives only panic about male to female surgery. I think it unintentionally speaks to how conservatives undervalue women but that is another discussion.
onewithshoes · 22-25, F
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow
Addressing your last point, yes, I mentioned boys making eunuchs of themselves thinking they can then be girls; but honestly, it was a close friend's painful sharing of her experience working in a school for troubled girls, and her anguish over two of them having 'top surgery' as teens that caused me to care about this. On the one hand we have people telling us that our minds aren't fully mature until we're in our twenties, and on the other we have more and more girls having to deal with the confusion of puberty before they're even twelve.
@onewithshoes Well for one your first example literally doesn't happen outside Matt Walsh's fear mongering.


And tell me. How old were you when you decided you were a girl? That is not a trick question.
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