@sunsporter1649 Nobody is going to shoot anybody. And the government is not disarming anyone except the bad guys.

@redredred [quote] You are free to do most anything that does not violate the rights of others. [/quote]

What about the rights of others violating mine? It's all a matter of opinion on what constitutes a violation, isn't it? The SCOTUS has the final say. Right?

[quote] What is it you want to do that you feel you cannot? [/quote]

I want to stop the US President from killing people.

@sree251 A violation of your rights is not a matter of opinion. People legitimately exercising their rights are not violating your rights. You have no right to stop other from enjoying their rights even if you don’t like what they’re doing.

As far as stopping the president. how would you do that under any government? As much as I detest the current president he is the legal head of the military and controls foreign relations.

@redredred [quote] As far as stopping the president. how would you do that under any government? As much as I detest the current president he is the legal head of the military and controls foreign relations. [/quote]

You are accepting the situation that you have no option but to live within the framework of established government. This is the situation of citizens in every government in the world.

@sree251 In my view, he hasn't. He represents one wing of the rich and powerful against another.

He is a billionaire who is extensively backed by corporate money and imposed tax cuts for the rich when in office. Yes, liberal capitalists hate him but he's not about systemic change.

@Burnley123 [quote] These things are inevitable when you have one group of people who own most of the wealth in society.

So I agree with the OP but would say that it runs even deeper [/quote]

I think you have identified the root cause of the problem with American (capitalist) democracy. It is a political system for capitalists in the marketplace. This is why the ordinary American citizen has no power in a personal capacity as an individual. The US Constitution is misleading. It should not read "We, the people..". It should be revised to read "We, the corporations of the United States......" .

@sree251 corporate personhood started under Reagan, and was pretty much complete by Citizens United (early nineties),

it wasn't part of the Constitution.

@sunsporter1649 Can you cite where in the world has socialism been practised and worked the way you claim?

@sree251 Shall we begin with cubar?

@sunsporter1649 Is Cuba practicing socialism? Why should they practice a western ideology?

@PleasurePunch Is there not enough fighting in the world? What's wrong with people?

@sree251 whats wrong is not enough solidarity and too much everyone for themselves.

@PleasurePunch You can't blame the lack of solidarity if there is not enough money to go around for buying food, clothing, and shelter.

I was driving home yesterday and came to stop by a bridge due to traffic. From the side of my car window, I saw a guy having his dinner sitting on the sidewalk among his stuff. He was eating out of a styrofoam takeaway box. I was trying to see what he was eating when I saw a couple of pizza boxes beside him. He must have gotten his food thrown in the trash or dumpster. You want solidarity?

What's the matter with you?

@SW-User The best government serves you, not the other way round.

@sree251 Yes!

@AthrillatheHunt [quote] It’s an illusion. [/quote]

The electoral mechanism is real enough. We actually cast votes to elect who we want. It's similar to giving power of attorney to your son to operate your bank account on your behalf for things you need. The problem is that you see your money depleted on expenses to house migrants in the city, and a host of miscellaneous items that have nothing to do with you.

@Eternity Speak to me, man. You can't read up on all those ideologies and come up with nothing viable.

@sree251 i think im on to something. I am still working on it though. Dont like to reveal incomplete works.

@Eternity Steve Jobs said that there is no such thing as a complete product. It's a process of development. Rush it to market, man. Now.

@sree251 That is the paradox and frustration of a liberal democracy. People are at liberty to participate or not . . and then gripe at the efforts of those who have tried to make representative institutions work.

@SunshineGirl [quote] That is the paradox and frustration of a liberal democracy. [/quote]

Would you say that a marriage between two people constitutes a liberal democracy? Why would one party gripe at the efforts of the other who tries to make the marriage work?