Conservative vs Liberal

@ProfessorFeet If you can't handle the heat of politics you should get out of the kitchen dude I hate to break it to you conservatives but look as a left winger myself like the other guy above me I too endure harassment for my political beliefs but I'm not going to claim presecution over it. Politcs is just very frought for this kind of thing, it goes with the terrority, if you don't like so much you can't deal with it maybe shut up about politics?

@MalteseFalconPunch Star Trek is much better than star wars.

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@ProfessorFeet White privilege means that whatever problems you have are not to do with your race.

Of course, it doesn't mean you can't gave problems or can't be screwed over by people. It's possible (probable maybe) that you are disadvantaged because of your class.

Persecution is still the wrong word.

@SW-User

My thoughts exactly.

I've given the Oxford dictionary definition of the word "persecuted" to someone else in this post. You should find it, read it and see if you still hold the same opinion. Before spouting irrelevant nonsense, try having a way to actually rationalize your opinion. @SW-User

To elaborate on your point, please describe for me the ways other conservatives "enthusiastically claim victimhood"

@ProfessorFeet They claim exactly what you just claimed: that conservative, white Christians are oppressed and persecuted, and not only that, but that they are the most oppressed demographic. They rightly condemn the idea that black people are eternal victims, but then go and cast themselves as the [i]true[/i] victims. Rather than reject a strong emphasis on victimhood, they simply apply the label to themselves because it is socially and emotionally advantageous. Yet ultimately it is quite melodramatic and inaccurate.

The blurring of categories and the erosion of meaningful distinctions is fundamentally anti-intellectual. I have not changed my position on what persecution is and why it does not apply to you.

@Elessar It also makes little sense to suggest that leftists are "claiming" the label "liberal". Most leftists I know despise the term "liberal" and often insultingly refer to moderate Democrats like Obama and his supporters as "libs". They say that liberals are Clinton/Obama types who essentially continued the imperialist foreign policy of Bush, did nothing to address over-incarceration (and have a legacy of being destructively "tough no crime"), and continued the broadly unequal capitalist American project. I'm not saying I agree wholeheartedly with these more extreme leftists, especially since I'm not so much on board with socialism and think that capitalism is a necessary evil that can be strongly regulated without resorting to full-on socialism. Nonetheless, "liberal" encompasses a broad center-left to center-right position that leftists often reject. Claiming that they are co-opting the term doesn't square with reality.

It also doesn't make much sense that American conservatives are broadly liberal. Some believe in liberal principles, though American conservatism is becoming increasingly disenchanted with democracy and liberalism, which go hand in hand. Democracy used to be something liberal that both the left and the right supported, but the right is subverting and undermining elections and attempting to restrict voter access. It also isn't particularly liberal to latch onto a strong-man leader. That kind of populism is something traditional liberals rejected. Libertarianism is becoming increasingly unpopular on the right due to its failures: the Christian rights seeks to insert more religion into the government and libertarianism often opposes just that. Libertarianism alone could not have undone Roe vs. Wade. The right is realizing that a stronger state can achieve many of their long term goals. And certainly, the recent rash of book bannings is anything but liberal and pro-free speech. Not saying that the left is perfect on this record either: but in some ways, the right is simply adopting the "safe space" language of the progressives; they want to be rid of ideas they find unpleasant (that LGBT should be accorded the same respect as heterosexuals, that American has a long racist history, that black Americans are the poorest demographic due to past structural inequalities, etc.)

@SW-User I consistently bang my head against the stone that occupies the same spot in (actual) far-leftists/tankies on here nearly on a daily basis, so I know how they are made lol.

This nonsense that literally everyone one inch left from a MAGA fascist(oid) by the so called "enlightened center" (i.e. rightwingers in the closet) is just one way to not admit you support the (far/)right. I refuse to believe that anyone who has an internet access legitimately doesn't know the distinction between "liberal", "libertarian", "leftist", "social-democrat", "socialist" and "communist", or even that they legitimately (and not conveniently) believe that all these groups are equally distant from the(ir perceived) "center" and just diametrically opposed to the far-right.

[quote]American conservatism is becoming increasingly disenchanted with democracy and liberalism[/quote]
This has been happening for quite a long while I'd say.

[quote]The right is realizing that a stronger state can achieve many of their long term goals[/quote]
And also this. They've always known, they just don't need to pretend they're for a "small government" anymore. Libertarians have been [i]electoral fodder[/i], but ultimately won't be represented by the party that just needed them for their votes.

Agreed with the rest. I'm not sure if they actually have a stance against LGBT, or if they do so just to get the votes of the homophobic/ultra-religious layer of society.

[quote]They've always known, they just don't need to pretend they're for a "small government" anymore. Libertarians have been electoral fodder, but ultimately won't be represented by the party that just needed them for their votes.[/quote]

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@Elessar

@SkeetSkeet

I mean, they don't make it a secret

@BohemianBoo You poor thing

@ProfessorFeet

@SW-User and what do you know that I've done that fits that description?

@ProfessorFeet WTF? You just wrote you are a white male persecuted on a daily basis. I've heard Trump say that but NEVER Biden.

@LordShadowfire I've no idea, I've found this pre-filled lol

@Elessar Darn!

@LordShadowfire I would've added "black mermaids" in that bottom-right corner had it been mine, lol

@LamontCranston Not revisionist. I watched it happen. The GOP was out to get Clinton from day one. It set the tone for selling out to the demagogue Trump.

@RedBaron Revisionist AND partisan. I was there too,
"Get Clinton"? As if he didn't deserve impeachment or disbarment.

@LamontCranston It started long before Lewinsky came along. Your view is no less partisan.

My point is that when it comes to religion and politics there’s no such thing as ‘just a difference of opinion’ because opinions are how people take action and vote. Legislation impacts peoples’ lives. @ProfessorFeet

So in other words, you're saying a vote is only yes or no? The people have no power to help in finding a compromise?

Sure, that be true for the very small percentile that have anything to do with the creation of laws. The average person possibly could, but they don’t.

The average person has near no involvement with their local legislation, and definitely no involvement in the writing/passing of bills in the grander scheme of things. The average person has rallies and other forms of activism to push their opinions (how they want others to vote).
Their vote is either in support of something/someone or against. @ProfessorFeet

@SkeetSkeet my favorite along with conservative nudists

@SkeetSkeet I'm an American patriot with a certain oral fixation.

@ProfessorFeet oral fixation on deep throating my big toe

@SW-User Its assumed by most on the other side of the aisle that I'm dumb, or that i hate women, or that I am racist, or that I'm homophobic. For starters.

@ProfessorFeet I get the impression I'm not getting the whole story ... I am really less interested in the [i]assumptions[/i] you perceive in others, I'm more interested in specific things you've actually done and said that in turn led to you being so-called "persecuted"

Moreover, what rights or freedoms (not perceived freedoms but actual ones) have you actually, tangibly lost because of your "political beliefs"? When was the last time you were, say, jailed or beaten by the government for your "political beliefs"?

Just to be clear, if you had a post deleted on Twitter because of something you said, you did not lose any right or freedom, that's the same as your neighbor kicking you out of their home for doing something they don't want in their home ... Twitter and your neighbor don't owe you very much on their own, private sector turf. You're still just as free as you were the day before. If Putin beat, jailed and conscripted you for protesting his "reservist" mobilization for his unprovoked invasion, then you lost rights/freedom and are being persecuted.

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