Why I'm agnostic about Boris Johnson leaving.

Yeah I mean I can't disagree with you on your key points although Brexiting I certainly can't blame the government for that one. I mean all the big boys in government at the time were all around Cameron, the BBC news were, jeezus they even got Obama over to threaten us with the you will basically go to the back of the queue if you leave the EU with the trading deals and of course Boris campaigned for us to Brexit but is that his fault really?

Like you rightly point out EVERYONE knew who Boris was, he already had a reputation for being a gaff prone buffoon so I hardly think we voted based on what Boris said when there was our own PM, the American president, all the EU's PMs, all the major business people on the planet were all on telly 24/7 all saying stay and hell once we'd voted to Brexit and Cameron resigned, Theresa May got in she called an election we could of then just voted to give either party power to actually do something about it but we didn't , we voted straight down the middle meaning the remainers and the hard Brexiters all then had enough power in both parties to stop the trade negotiations being past through parliament, also cost Theresa May her job, who to be honest if we'd all voted for her at the election given here some power to get things past though parliament (like we did with Boris once the deadline had past and it was too late) we'd of had a very soft Brexit basically duplicating the contracts and resigning them as Theresa May was a remainer that's all she wanted to do but for some reason 50% of the voting public didn't seem to think that she was the right person for the job so ....

So like I say you make good points but if your someone who is a life long 'red wall' voter who are you even talking about these days exactly it's not the 1970s? Jeezus considering they're all well educated career politicians on both sides these days you really think Oxford educated Starmer is any different to a fucking Tory politician? Our political parties have been more central for probably 25-30 years and the vast majority of us just vote for whichever party will do a better job over the next 4 years or whatever until the next election it's the reason why we don't have this left right swing like you get in America when Labour get back in which they will what do you think will change? Oh we will introduce 'gay marriage' no tories did that already, why? Because both parties are central it wouldm't matter which government was in power that would of got past and it won't matter which government is in the rich people won't pay more taxes because Labour have already tried 'super taxing' them before and it didn't end very well so other than a few pennies here and there it won't make much difference.

I hope you get what I'm trying to say here cause like saying red or blue that's like making voting a supporters club like a football team where you'll just support them whatever, even when they're utterly shiiiite, or when a party needs support to do something important and really it's that kind of irresponsible oldie worldy voting that's the real reason why Brexit was so bad. Nothing to do with any particular party.

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The fact is that so many of us could say 'I told you so'...and then you add to that fact that so many people didn't want to vote for Labour, that they were scared that Labour would ruin their lives. That's the joke, really. Would Labour have ruined their lives? I think not.

To his credit, Boris I felt was fairly quick (compared to some, and unfortunately quicker than I feel that Labour would have done..) in getting things locked down. Sure, he could have been quicker. I think every country - with, perhaps the exception of China itself and New Zealand - could have been quicker.

Documents have shown - as per Panorama programme - that the Government felt that a pandemic was a never-event and thus had no stock (PPE) in light of such event, as per most countries protocols. That makes me angry.

I have met Boris and, yes he's an idiot but quite charming with it. You can see how some people just get carried away with all his lies.

Cards on the table; I've never been a Tory voter (seeing what they did to my home of Newcastle in the 70's and 80's educated me on that) and never voted for Brexit as I could see all the hurdles (for hurdles, read 'fuck ups') it would bring to light, never mind the concept of a United Europe which, for all it's problems, still had it's merits.

The government have screwed up the economy and made the poor so much poorer. I know of so many people now homeless because landlords are after 50% increase in rents etc.

...and it's sad the place this country is in again...

Karen

You obviously don't get it. Yes, his ineptness was always known, but it finally reached a point where it became intolerable. It's standard procedure when someone goes overboard with their antics.

Believing there is no one to replace him worth his/her salt (so to speak) is about as negative as you can get without calling for all out anarchy.

I think you have heard me say before that complaints about Bojo's corruption means nothing. They knew he was corrupt and a liar when they voted him in.

And the jokes and memes....the benny hill stuff, whilst all funny and deserved is also really sad that as a nation we are in such a dire state and we are joking about it.

The most fucked up thing is.... he is not going until autumn ....why? Because he has a party planned

Ffs

I am more concerned about the likes of jeremy hunt than rishi

I don't know much about British politics, but I do know that Chris Pincher's sexual misconduct has been a problem and publicly known since 2017, so the fact it just now supposedly caused Boris' downfall is sus af. Boris is out because his party is done with him.

I'm inclined to agree with much of this, which is why I find British politics so profoundly uninspiring and well, depressing.

I think they definitely got it wrong with lockdowns, but likely not in the same way you do. Locking down has been an economic disaster for all nations, and was an absolute mistake. I think that Brexit shouldn't have happened, but it did and there *are* things that the Conservative Party could do to get more out of it for the good of the country and most of the people in it, but they never will. It's just made it easier for them to exploit people and allow a very select few to get richer.

Sunak is just a horrible choice. For some unfathomable reason though, there's people who actually find him appealing. His fiscal policies are the worst. It's a desperately miserable situation for the U.K.

I disagree with most of the Labour Party's social policies, but the Con's are so bad that it may outweigh how undeniably awful much of what Labour espouses is. It wouldn't be so terrible if the Con's had some invigorating things to say and do about various pertinent social issues, but the ones who do just get ignored and they aren't taken very seriously. Maybe it is preferable for people to listen to Labour's shit if they'll have more money and therefore happier lives. I like the idea of enough people voting for them and the Liberal Democrats, that a coalition is formed.

Any person who isn't a millionaire who votes Con is a fool.

I have given up worrying about it no matter who is the next conservative leader their all just as bad . At the next election I shall vote for one of the smaller parties probably Britain first or such like . I have lost faith in the 3 major parties and feel its about time this country has a change from the same old same old . Maybe if enough people feel the same we will see a different party get in and a change of the way this country is governed . Sadly if this doesnt happen I fear we are all gonna suffer for it .

Agree, nothing really changed except for the labeling. And even that is going to take a few months to complete.

I think Boris's greatest failing was his inability to grasp detail and apply himself to the obvious problems created by his government's contradictory policies. Most of the candidates are trying to outbid each other with promises of tax cuts, which suggest that they are too are incapable of governing competently. I don't agree with Rishi Sunak's or Jeremy Hunt's personal visions, but they do at least have serious experience of government.

Whoever gets it needs to sort out the NI protocol problem sharpish , and also reset the country's entire relationship with Brussels. You think there's anyone standing who fits the bill ?

Pretty much... I've already called it that we will have a return to austerity with Sunak at the helm...

On the plus side, Universal Credit will go back towards what Prescott wanted when he created it - with the poor being forced into virtual homelessness and working gig economies just to make ends meet.

New boss is the same as the old boss.

You are right of course that the new leader will be more Tory, or Thatcherite, than Johnson.

I’m interested to know in what way you think the government’s handling of Covid was bad. Although it was lucky that a British company developed the first effective vaccine, the government did deliver it to the public much more quickly than anyone else in Europe, which it could not have done had it still been in the EU. That apart, my view is that lockdown was unnecessary, probably counterproductive, and certainly economically and socially damaging. The government was far too slow to challenge the false assumptions of the scientific advisers. What’s your view?

it would be like if here in the united states we elected ted nugent president thats all I thought when Boris johnson became Prime minister. Also the entire field of economics is pretty uniform against the idea that protectionism works for the benefit of any country.

and that goes from the left to the right of the profession. it's pretty unanimous that free trade is the only way.

So of course brexit would backfire.

Oh no question.

But for now, just appreciate that this is extremely funny.

Thinking changing party leader will change the party or its policies is madness.

Agreed. I’m glad Boris has gone but dreading the next.

Better the devil you know.......

I dread to think who'll replace him 🤷🏼‍♀️

The illusion of democracy.
Voting is like having to choose between a horse shit or a dog shit sandwich...either way its going to be awful.
It just goes on and on and on..they all promise the earth and never improve the ordinary man/womans life.
There really needs to be a 'None Of Them' option on the ballot papers.

I'm going to miss that hair.

Be grateful you live in a country where conservative politicians occasionally play lip service to virtue.