For those who view feminism as mostly negative, did the movement begin with good intentions?

Feminism has been a massively positive development in Western society, and complaints to the contrary are outright laughable. Might as well ask if abolitionism has been a positive movement.

There is [i]some[/i] merit in discussing whether the end result has been achieved in the west, and what level is militancy is appropriate at this time - and whether society’s normal mechanisms are enough to resolve any issues that crop up going forward.

But overall impact? Fucking lol.

It definitely began with good intentions but got awfully mislead by the pioneers who had no clue as to what they are moving towards. Idiotically they are trying to compete with males for their seat, rather than creating their own world or standard of life for themselves..

There really should be a pros and cons option since the movement had both positive and negative ramifications

I didn't select a poll option because I have a different opinion. Feminism began in this country because women were treated so differently than men! We didn't have the right to vote! We were never paid, (if we were allowed to work), the same amount of money as a man for the same work.

So I believe feminism began with valid intentions for fair treatment and equality. And there are very few men, nowadays, who will tell us "little" women to get back in the kitchen. "where we belong." That's what my grandmother and my mother, both, had to endure.

However, some idiots have taken good intentions and warped them into something which is easier for men to mock.

Like all far left radical movements, radical feminists can be vicious, and a little bit ridiculous, and that is why men mock them.

The truth is, straight women need men, families need men, children need good father figures and we, (feminists also included), could not exist without them.

It has been mixed, like most movements. Aiming for gender equality is good; vilifying men is stupidity; driving a wedge between men and women can only cause trouble.

I believe feminism is a destructive ideology. Whether its origins were "good intentions" or not depends on what you mean by "good intentions." The origins of the feminist ideology are Marxist. See e.g. https://similarworlds.com/3416014-I-Am-Against-Feminism/1108584-THE-MARXIST-ORIGINS-OF-FEMINISM-In-his-1884

The most prominent of modern feminists have admitted, feminism will not work without socialism. Thus, in order for feminism to realize any positive effects, the government has to regulate the markets. Feminism isn't working in the USA. The net effect has mostly been negative, from broken families to now health crisis and the life expectancy for women is decreasing. Women are under a great deal of stress in today's society and recent studies have revealed American women are less happy today than they ever were.

Yet most women are convinced that feminism is the answer. Why? Just like people in Cuba who are also convinced that socialism has worked well, it's called propaganda. The only way that feminism can work is to implement socialism, and that is the end of American freedom.

Just ask people from Cuba or China - not the ones who are brainwashed because many of them are but the ones who have come to USA and realized how much freedom they were missing out on. They never knew because they even censor the internet in those countries. Something that the left, feminists, socialists, democrats, Marxist-Leninists (whatever you wanna call them, it's all the same) have been trying to do for over a decade. And in fact, they now have the support of Google and YouTube (owned by google) who have taken an initiative to "purge" certain materials from YouTube and from Google Search.

Perhaps because most people where I live are basically feminist in that we believe in equal rights (though i'd just say egalitarian). The people who really stand out tend to be extreme, and from having met a few real hardcore feminists irl who were basically just misandrists I do see those types as a problem especially if they're accepted into politics.

I think the narrative atm is that men are actually behind in education in comparison to women and aren't doing as well, higher suicide rates, the legal system still treats women differently and men worse, so i imagine mens rights groups see the extreme forms of feminism today and feel like its an issue/supremacy group.

just my 2 cents

This movement shows the women empowering but at the same time certain toxic things making them looked bad.

Like, they suddenly become anti - men.

The postmodern world is being torn apart by these "isms" (whether socialism, capitalism, feminism, etc) which all had their origins three hundred years ago in the Enlightenment and French Revolution.

They are all based on materialism, power and conflicts between different groups in society.

It started with good intentions but too many within the movement have gone a little barmy. It's a movement that was about equality for the genders, but some people have turned it into something else.

The idea that feminism is anything less than a net positive is a strange one to me. Like... was life better for women in the mid-19ths century before right to vote or own property?

Well considering that there’s never been a better time in history for me to be a woman, I guess I’d have to choose it being great for our society, but that’s a gross oversimplification of feminism and it’s effect on many issues. @REMsleep

Why would you care what people would assume you agreed with just because you identified as one of us.

I am a feminist, and if you assume that means things about me you're the ass not me.

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I found this discussion to be very interesting.

White male privilege refusing to cede anything to anyone else.

I don't believe so