For those who view feminism as mostly negative, did the movement begin with good intentions?

@beckychandler that just makes me more supportive. <3 socialism. Enough that I choose a socialist for a lover. we're going to start cutting you capitalist out of the gene pool.... eventually.

@BetweenKittensandRiots I'm hardly a capitalist or making a capitalist argument against feminism. See e.g. my SW question and comment [b][i]"Why are we sacrificing what women want on the altar of big business?[/i][/b]https://similarworlds.com/23-Work/2682728-Why-are-we-sacrificing-what-women-want-on-the

@beckychandler Feminism predates Marxism. Some schools of feminism are explicitly anti-Marixst. It's a pretty broad movement.

@beckychandler OH NO, FEMINISM IS ENCOURAGING WOMEN INTO THE WORKFORCE..

instead of wasting their lives raising kids! ugh...

You realize if you are raising kids you won't have a sex life? They'll want to spend all their time with mommy just like I DID.

you won't get any time for yourself and not to mention every time he or she is hungry at 330 in the morning you'll be dragged out of bed to come feed.

no sleep, no sex, and no life of your own. that's kids. it's like people don't even think, they just feel. They FEEL The desire, they don't think about how the reality doesn't match the dream at all.

@CountScrofula Everything has pre-origins that you can find. But the clear beginning of the feminist ideology is Engels' 1884 treatise,[b][i] The Origin of the Family, Private Property and the State[/i][/b]

That there are aspects of feminism that may be capitalistic is no surprise. Socialism and Capitalism (a/k/a "classical liberalism") share much in common. They are both materialistic theories with their common roots in the so-called "Enlightenment."

@BetweenKittensandRiots What a load of shit, Feminism - the advocacy of women's rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes.

@BetweenKittensandRiots And your an expert on females rights?

@nedkelly i'm not remotely alarmed by the developments she's writing about. i'm dismissing her concerns... I consider all the things she accuses feminism of having done to be positive. to the extent we're guilty of her charges we're very proud of that fact.

@nedkelly So what do you mean by "equality"? Women and men are already legally equal -- that inequity has been achieved, thank goodness.

@beckychandler Feminism has become a force, it still has some way to go for all men and women to be treated equally

@beckychandler Feminism is older than Marxism - which tackled many broader inequities of society of the time and promoted general egalitarian ideals. They were natural allies.