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Which one do you fall into?

"Private companies must make any and all wedding cakes", or "private companies can ban whoever they like"?
DearAmbellina2113 · 41-45, F
Private companies should just stfu and bake the damn cake. It's a service they are being paid for, and homosexual weddings are well within the law.
cunningcrocodile · 31-35, F
@DearAmbellina2113 I know I did, that was the intention of the post. Well done, Captain Obvious :)
cunningcrocodile · 31-35, F
@DearAmbellina2113 Oh, dearambellina blocked me, everyone. Over this post.
Northwest · M
@DearAmbellina2113 She's just showing her ass
IWasCallingYaLarry · 26-30, M
I believe they have the right to make cakes and refuse cakes for certain occasions if they don't feel comfortable doing it. Yes it may suck for those people being denied it, but you can't force somebody to do something for you. You aren't entitled to anything you want in life. So yes I believe they are well within their right to reject service if they want to. It's their company, their rules.
IWasCallingYaLarry · 26-30, M
@cunningcrocodile I mean I have a beard. But I at least shave lol.
cunningcrocodile · 31-35, F
@IWasCallingYaLarry A proper one I assume? Not just patches under the neck and on the cheek? Which are there not because they think it's trendy (that's the excuse you tell yourself), but because they are too pathetic to look after their appearance?
IWasCallingYaLarry · 26-30, M
@cunningcrocodile No and no lol. I have like an actual beard. Not anything you described lol.
luctoretemergo · 61-69, M
The bigger issue (rights, discrimination, etc.)...why would you want someone making something your going to eat, and they are forced to do it?
I'd rather just find someone who WANTS to make my cake as opposed to someone forced into it (who know's what they'll do to it!). I guess I'm the latter. It's hard to have a serious discussion w/your profile pic staring at me - and I mean that as a compliment.
Have a great night!
St0ut · 51-55, M
You cannot force someone to say something They are opposed to
SW-User
A private establishment always reserves the right to entry aka business.
SW-User
@cunningcrocodile no. The latter.
You. Cannot force it to make all and any wedding cake.
cunningcrocodile · 31-35, F
@SW-User I see :) Why not the former?
SW-User
@cunningcrocodile because its a disclaimer they need to have in case they cannot oblige. And do not get sued for it in the process.
SW-User
I generally fall into the private companies category -- here the case was more custom artistic expression -- also the first amendment. Also, not a huge fan of plaintiffs trying to be denied something to file a suit.
Graylight · 51-55, F
It's not an 'either or.' Private companies have the right to refuse service, but not on grounds that violate civil rights or are found to be discriminatory.
SW-User
That's a tough one. On one hand there is a law against discrimination against sexual orientation (which I assume this is about), but on the other hand the free market is powerful. Declining too many offers will doom your business, so that may take care of refusing orders for bigoted reasons.
SW-User
@cunningcrocodile Only allowing premade cakes is different indeed. A butcher is allowed to limit his service to meat and can't be sued for not offering cupboards or garden designs. Offering custom cakes but limiting that to straight couples and declining cakes to gay couples is a lot more edgy though.
cunningcrocodile · 31-35, F
@SW-User If he did that they may have a point, and the leftists are trying to give the impression that that is what happened.
SW-User
@cunningcrocodile I don't know the details of the particular case you're referring to and that makes all the difference. That's why I'm on the fence until I know the full circumstances.
MarineBob · 56-60, M
I pick and choose my customers
Sicarium · 46-50, M
Private companies have the right to refuse service up until the point where they're violating civil rights.
Sicarium · 46-50, M
@cunningcrocodile No shirt, shoes policies would be allowed. Refusing to bake a specialty cake while allowing the customer to buy any premade cake (which is what really happened in the cake example) would be allowed. A company that has assumed the public square would not, however, be allowed to ban people for legal speech.
cunningcrocodile · 31-35, F
@Sicarium I agree, yet in reality, the exact opposite happened. Though I suppose they just push to illegalise speech. What a clown world.
Sicarium · 46-50, M
@cunningcrocodile Indeed. Honk honk.
Elegy · 46-50
Companies should do what they feel is right and individuals should decide if a bigoted cake maker should exist with their dollars. The free market will decide.
CM440 · 56-60, C
Why not turn the tables? If you don't want to make a cake for me, I don't want to spend money at your business.
cunningcrocodile · 31-35, F
@CM440 Sounds fair :)
uncalled4 · 56-60, M
I fall into "who is in a position to turn down business"?
TJNewton · M
How the hell can a company ban anyone from making any sort of cake ?
TJNewton · M
@cunningcrocodile Hello i take it you can read your own question ? you said this
"private companies can ban whoever they like"?
cunningcrocodile · 31-35, F
@TJNewton Everyone else has managed to grasp the question, other than you...
TJNewton · M

 
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