Should Trump pardon Manafort?
26-30, F
BatRinseRepeat · 31-35, F
No.
But he will.
And then Manafort will be called into a grand jury and compelled to testify with no possibility of immunity. Soon after that he'll be charged by prosecutors in New York and Virginia for violations of state law that Trump can't pardon. He'll likely do between 8 to 12 years.
The same thing will happen each time he uses his pardon power to try to suppress testimony that could implicate him. The charges against everyone indicted so far are stacked 3 layers deep, and even firing Mueller won't stop the process. Cohen has already coughed up enough documents and testimony to fuel litigation in another 5 cases.
Trump and his backers don't fully realize it yet, but they really have no good options left.
But he will.
And then Manafort will be called into a grand jury and compelled to testify with no possibility of immunity. Soon after that he'll be charged by prosecutors in New York and Virginia for violations of state law that Trump can't pardon. He'll likely do between 8 to 12 years.
The same thing will happen each time he uses his pardon power to try to suppress testimony that could implicate him. The charges against everyone indicted so far are stacked 3 layers deep, and even firing Mueller won't stop the process. Cohen has already coughed up enough documents and testimony to fuel litigation in another 5 cases.
Trump and his backers don't fully realize it yet, but they really have no good options left.
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LuluLulu · 61-69, F
@Pfuzylogic Where is the obstruction of justice?
LuluLulu · 61-69, F
Trump and administrations have revoked 800 job kiling/stiffling regulations. We would not have the robust economy we are having if that had not been done. We would still be at a snails pace. Obama was given a Nobel Peace Prize for nothing, absoutely nothing. Even Obama ask how was Trump going to bring back all the manufacturing jobs. Does he have a magic wand? Obama couldn't do it or didn't try. I am getting off here but please tell me where the obstruction is and using Comey's dismissal is not obstruction of justice. What everybody needs to accept is that Trump is president and he has the exact executive powers as those before him.
SimplyTracie · 26-30, F
@LuluLulu I don’t believe that deregulating the factories is a sound decision. I mean, why add more pollution into the air and into our waterways? A lot of the regulations in place was to protect the health and welfare of workers.
I suppose it might be worth a few hundred coal jobs but in the end people will pay a high cost to their health.
I suppose it might be worth a few hundred coal jobs but in the end people will pay a high cost to their health.
SW-User
@SimplyTracie “If you shoot one person, they give you life, they give you the death penalty. These gun dealers can kill 2,000 or 3,000 people, and nothing happens to them.”
SimplyTracie · 26-30, F
@SW-User Yeah. He speaks without thinking.
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
SimplyTracie · 26-30, F
@CountScrofula I understand but I hold everyone to the same standards; you, me, POTUS, Hillary it doesn’t matter.
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
@SimplyTracie Yep! Not accusing you of anything. I'm talking about Trump supporters in specific.
Any political group can be guilty of moral blindness in cheering for the team, but its super extreme with Trump.
Any political group can be guilty of moral blindness in cheering for the team, but its super extreme with Trump.
SimplyTracie · 26-30, F
@CountScrofula Yes I would agree
LuluLulu · 61-69, F
@SimplyTracieI don't have proof. He doesn't have to provide proof of his innocence. Prove that he is quilty. We are all innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around. And just because people hate Trump and are still crying because their candidate loss is not justification to change the laws but that is what Mueller is doing.
SimplyTracie · 26-30, F
@LuluLulu Everyone thinks I hate Trump. I never said that nor do I. I despise pretty much what he says and does.
People love him mostly because he has put more money in their pockets. Record stock market closing. I’d gladly give him back any tax benefits I have gotten because money isn’t that important to me. I would rather see him genuinely work on the healthcare plan he promised during his campaign (for my grandparents and my parents).
People love him mostly because he has put more money in their pockets. Record stock market closing. I’d gladly give him back any tax benefits I have gotten because money isn’t that important to me. I would rather see him genuinely work on the healthcare plan he promised during his campaign (for my grandparents and my parents).
NoFuxGiven · 22-25, F
@SimplyTracie Trump just wants loyalty from most of us, I'm sure. Most people aren't cut out to be soldiers, but as long as they vote for him, pay protection be and buy his stuff and don't get uppity, or start questioning him, he might even tolerate different skin colors or heritages.
@SimplyTracie We haven't had leaders like Trump in the US before, tis true.
Guys like Pence, whether you agree with them or not, at least have a sense of duty to a higher power than themselves. In Pence's case, he probably thinks there's a decent chance he'll get the VP nomination again and have a shot at the Presidency as well, but mostly, I'm guessing he's just overjoyed at the anti-LBGT stuff and how radical far right policies can get implemented so well with so many people focusing on Trump's narcissism, criminality, etc.
McConnell and Graham seem to be doing the same thing, along with Ryan to some extent. They know Trump is unfit and dangerous but the money and votes are still rolling in right now and none of them has Trump's following.
Guys like Pence, whether you agree with them or not, at least have a sense of duty to a higher power than themselves. In Pence's case, he probably thinks there's a decent chance he'll get the VP nomination again and have a shot at the Presidency as well, but mostly, I'm guessing he's just overjoyed at the anti-LBGT stuff and how radical far right policies can get implemented so well with so many people focusing on Trump's narcissism, criminality, etc.
McConnell and Graham seem to be doing the same thing, along with Ryan to some extent. They know Trump is unfit and dangerous but the money and votes are still rolling in right now and none of them has Trump's following.
SimplyTracie · 26-30, F
@Xuan12 I agree. I seriously doubt that his fans would approve either.
MarkPaul · 26-30, M
@SimplyTracie His fans aren't really interested in what is lawful, moral, or even decent. They are most interested in the unwritten customs they are having trouble acknowledging are changing: white over black; men over women, etc.
The failing Baby-trump reassures them with an illusion they won't ever have to change. And, that reassurance is like a narcotic to them.
The failing Baby-trump reassures them with an illusion they won't ever have to change. And, that reassurance is like a narcotic to them.
SimplyTracie · 26-30, F
@MarkPaul I agree. But hopefully that will be proven to be not the case.
vetguy1991 · 51-55, M
SimplyTracie · 26-30, F
@vetguy1991 There is no if. He was found guilty.
vetguy1991 · 51-55, M
@SimplyTracie then let the court decide what happens to him
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We all know he will. He’s just passive aggressively hanging Manafort out to dry.
I have a feeling that the pardon will trigger mueller to present his case for obstruction of justice.
You have to believe Mueller has all the tools (now with Cohen) to implicate our president.
It’s just too bad that the Republicans in Congress are all bought or blackmailed. I hope investigations go on for the next 20 years proving what sold-out rats these guys were.
I have a feeling that the pardon will trigger mueller to present his case for obstruction of justice.
You have to believe Mueller has all the tools (now with Cohen) to implicate our president.
It’s just too bad that the Republicans in Congress are all bought or blackmailed. I hope investigations go on for the next 20 years proving what sold-out rats these guys were.
Pfuzylogic · M
It's not a smart move for Trump to do it, as much as dangle it.
If this continues, Trump is going to have to shut down the state courts as well to protect his "family" and he'll need some really solid wins in the midterms to make even the Republicans in Congress ok with that.
I don't think vicious hotentots killing innocent bwanas in the bush or even stray illegal immigrants killing white women will be enough.
Look for even worse irrational behaviour, threats and attempts to create a Reichstag like moment, but until that chance arises, pardoning Manafort would hurt Trump and his entire corrupt organization more than it would help.
And this, I'll bet, is one thing Rudy probably understands and advised Trump on.
If this continues, Trump is going to have to shut down the state courts as well to protect his "family" and he'll need some really solid wins in the midterms to make even the Republicans in Congress ok with that.
I don't think vicious hotentots killing innocent bwanas in the bush or even stray illegal immigrants killing white women will be enough.
Look for even worse irrational behaviour, threats and attempts to create a Reichstag like moment, but until that chance arises, pardoning Manafort would hurt Trump and his entire corrupt organization more than it would help.
And this, I'll bet, is one thing Rudy probably understands and advised Trump on.
Coppercoil · M
I believe that only way we solve government corruption is the equal application of the law regardless of political affiliation or financial means. I think the left and the right need to cut loose their criminal elements they protect which keeps the political hypocrscy and glaring economic injustices eternally alive and well, which can only serve to torment and divide us as a nation. In other words.. never gonna happen.. Trump will pardon his sorry ass.
TheOneyouwerewarnedabout · 46-50, MVIP
i would. it would piss all the trump haters off..
Pfuzylogic · M
@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout
It is getting easier to put a bullseye on the back of donnie nowadays.
It is getting easier to put a bullseye on the back of donnie nowadays.