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Guns: Here is one writer’s idea. Can anyone disagree with this as a starting point?

Universal background checks. This means a National Instant Criminal Background Check for every buyer of every firearm. Last July, Pew Research Center found that 85 percent of Americans — 88 percent of Democrats and 79 percent of Republicans — favored making background checks mandatory for private gun sales and sales at gun shows. Those are Mom and Apple Pie numbers. An earlier poll by Frank Luntz found that a 74 percent majority of past and present NRA members favored expanded background checks.
Ban the bump stock used in Las Vegas. The bump stock turns a semiautomatic weapon into an automatic weapon, which already is banned. In a poll last year, a majority of registered voters wanted the device banned — 79 percent of Democrats and 68 percent of Republicans.
Deny guns to patients diagnosed mentally ill. A HuffPost/YouGov poll in 2014 showed that 54 percent to 23 percent of Americans wanted states to confiscate guns owned by people diagnosed with mental illness. There should be a review process to restore their rights after they recover.
Deny guns to suspected terrorists. Those on a watch list, who currently can buy guns, must be stopped. A method to restore rights must be included.
Age 21 to buy any gun. Under federal law, you must be 21 to buy a handgun. Raise to 21 the age to buy a rifle. It is lethal, too.
One gun purchase a month. That will slow the multiple straw purchaser illegally buying for someone not eligible to own.

http://www.philly.com/philly/columnists/stu_bykofsky/nra-second-amendment-australia-great-britain-6-gun-law-changes-stu-bykofsky-20180220.html

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katielass · F
That all sounds good and I don't disagree in theory. But when one considers the fact that less than 4% of the gun crimes in this country are committed by mentally ill people, is this going to solve the problem? Remember, we are talking about taking someone's constitutional rights away or suspending them. [b]also, once you've been on that list are you marked forever? Suppose you suffer from a mild case of depression and aren't a threat to yourself or anyone else. I'm sorry, it makes more sense to lock down all the doors to schools and have a couple armed guards at the one door. I'm far less concerned about the kids attending school in "that environment" than I am that they might go to school one day and not go home that night. I am in favour of finding solutions that do not infringe on people's constitutional rights. I can agree to not allowing raving lunatics to have guns but most mentally ill people are not raving lunatics.
katielass · F
Suspending or revoking someone's constitutional rights is never a good place to start. There are so many other ideas that could and should be tried first.

Raise the age one has to be to buy a gun. If men under that age want to hunt they can go with someone over that age and use one of their guns.

Lockdown at all schools. Make one door the designated enter and leave door a]tat is protected y 2 armed guards. Install bullet proof glass on windows and doors.

Make it a mandatory life without parole for using a gun while committing any crime.

I mean if you are serious about stopping gun violence these are some places to start. And they have all been suggested before. But those who prefer to have the issue during election year and then forget about the problem the other years will probably still reject these ideas out of hand because it isn't the kids they are really concerned about, it's having something to sell at election time.
jackj · 56-60, M
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jackj · 56-60, M
If you skimmed the article it covers. OST of what you wrote WH in is why I posted it in the first place. [@120824,katielass]
Graylight · 46-50, F
It's a good start. It's hardly obscure thinking, by the way. The majority of Americans support regulation measures just like this; the efforts at change are being killed on Capitol Hill.

But background checks, while they'd weed out a meaningful number of potential buyers, won't catch everyone. Most people who kill are doing so for the first time and without serious previous criminal history. Mental health screenings are good, too, but those with minor disorders might be stigmatized while those with serious mental illness can still pass through. And again, while shootings like this latest place the bright hot spotlight on mental illness, it's also vastly disproportionate in its occurrence and reflection of reality.

The problem is still, as it has been, firearms and access to them.
jackj · 56-60, M
Pick a subject and state your position madam. I’m open minded. [@627992,Graylight]
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Graylight · 46-50, F
[@607862,AnnieMal] You know, right, that this isn't just a second amendment versus ban all guns issue. There's a chasm of grey in between.
JudasGoat · M
I would also add anyone who has a restraining order against them, but, sir...
I think that is a great start. I see no problem with that. Unfortunately, I have had experience in my personal life with someone who had no business having a firearm. It did not end well. As a firearm owner, I do not want guns taken away, what I want is common sense and reason.
jackj · 56-60, M
Excellent comment re the restraining Orders. Often as part of restraining orders the defendant is required to turn weapons ver t the authorities. The loophole is thst the defendant may have other non turned in ones and has easy access to more anyways. [@523604,JudasGoat]
JudasGoat · M
[@1158,Jackjjacksonjr] I live in Rural NH. I have seen this very thing happen over and over..Family squabble, restraining order issued, guns go to a relative or friend. Happens all the time.
jackj · 56-60, M
Thr domestic violence laws are a joke. [@523604,JudasGoat]
Still won't fly ... crosses over too many constitutional rights.

would require amending amendments

and that will never happen ... there are only 17 ... maybe 18 states that would approve it ... less than half that are needed.

The reality is ... there is no legislative fix, without a constitutional overhaul.

and that won't happen.

[sep]

offer hand gun training to teachers

give guns to security guards

harden the entrances

and use non-lethal water cannons, to handle hallways

And then fire the FBI
jackj · 56-60, M
I provided g exterior and interior school security and additional f cameras is a must. We give other government building deserving less more security. [@6757,questionWeaver]
jackj · 56-60, M
Aggrieved? Thst almost makes it sound as though this criminal acted quasi legitimately. I’m sure you didn’t mean THAT. [@6757,questionWeaver]
[@1158,Jackjjacksonjr]

this is the 1st 137 lb orphan $800,000 shooter captured alive

he will talk

he will tell a story of grievances performed at the hands of a lavish liberal city

just being 137 lbs will make him appear like David going up against Goliath

it will be non-stop

by the end ... the city will seem completely evil

there is no win or spin here

he is alive

remember OJ
Pherick · 41-45, M
Nothing wrong with those ideas, they are good ones. Also, for anyone reading, notice this list has NOTHING to do with taking guns away from legal owners.

How does a 1 strike rule sound? It seems to me that guns, being devices made purely for dealing death, that if you screw up with one, thats it. You card is pulled and you lose access to them. AKA your house is robbed and you had your gun in a drawer instead of in a gun safe, oops, no more guns for you.
jackj · 56-60, M
Did the trigger lock Help or not Help?[@523604,JudasGoat]
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JudasGoat · M
[@1158,Jackjjacksonjr] It was basically moot. Coops were under and prosecutors insisted that as long as he was in that house with that weapon, he could get access to it. Maybe the key got left around, yada yada yada This is why I dislike cops. They will make anything fit a crime
therighttothink50 · 56-60, M
Why don't you stop kissing liberal butt, we don't need any new gun laws. We just need secure borders, respect for our police, teachers and military and the appreciation for the traditional nuclear family. We didn't have this problem before 30 years ago because liberals used to be laughed at. But then people went and vote for a radical Marxist scumbag like Obama. He has taken a wrecking ball to traditional American values and western civilization. Some people wish to kiss his ass for it, and others wish to kiss the ass of those who kiss his ass. Frauds, phonies and souls which have been bought and paid for by Marxist ideologues who hate this country.

The answer to this problem lies within the soul of each individual, basic common sense and respect. You won't find it in the vile disease of liberalism for these people no longer subscribe to either common sense nor do they have a soul. People who think they are rationale are oblivious to reality. How long will you continue to kiss liberal butt? How many times are you willing to murder your soul to compromise with an ideology that wishes to destroy your way of life?
jackj · 56-60, M
You’re unduly isolating yourself. As an NRA member I see nothing wrong with anything in the article. In fact the vast majority of conservatives agree. You’re making us look bad by taking such an extreme position. [@5571,therighttothink50]
therighttothink50 · 56-60, M
[@1158,Jackjjacksonjr] What is extreme is catering to a bunch of scumbag liberals and conversing with them every day. It stunts the mind, they are the extreme ones, they ushered in this police state and inch by inch they take away everything which is free and good. Keep kissing their rear ends and see where it gets you. You like to cater to liberals because you are afraid to take a stand. You rather exist in life feeling good and making others happy while sacrificing purpose. This isn't a game, this is a fight for a Republic which has been taken over by the most extreme leftist fanatics and who hate everything this country stands for.


“The man who refuses to judge, who neither agrees nor disagrees, who declares that there are no absolutes and believes that he escapes responsibility, is the man responsible for all the blood that is now spilled in the world. Reality is an absolute, existence is an absolute, a speck of dust is an absolute and so is a human life. Whether you live or die is an absolute. Whether you have a piece of bread or not, is an absolute. Whether you eat your bread or see it vanish into a looter's stomach, is an absolute.

There are two sides to every issue: one side is right and the other is wrong, but the middle is always evil. The man who is wrong still retains some respect for truth, if only by accepting the responsibility of choice. But the man in the middle is the knave who blanks out the truth in order to pretend that no choice or values exist, who is willing to sit out the course of any battle, willing to cash in on the blood of the innocent or to crawl on his belly to the guilty, who dispenses justice by condemning both the robber and the robbed to jail, who solves conflicts by ordering the thinker and the fool to meet each other halfway. In any compromise between food and poison, it is only death that can win. In any compromise between good and evil, it is only evil that can profit. In that transfusion of blood which drains the good to feed the evil, the compromise is the transmitting rubber tube.” Ayn Rand

How did the last fifty years of liberalism work out? Good men have sat idly by and made excuses for the chaos which this plague has unleashed upon society. This is the last roundup, the last chance to take a stand. I rather live a life with purpose and take a stand against a bunch of extreme leftist fanatics who have pushed the goal posts so far to the left that well intentioned people such as yourself can no longer see the difference.

You deal with extremists on this site every day, you converse with them every single day. You give credence to their actual way of warped thinking by engaging them. You are their perfect prey, for you legitimize their irrationality. Good luck being the nice guy, to each his own.
jackj · 56-60, M
There are some open minds out there are I believe I influence them with reasoned discourse. To each his or her own. [@5571,therighttothink50]
RodneyTrotter · 51-55, M
People on a watch list can buy guns? 😲😨🤔🙄
jackj · 56-60, M
Respectfully your zealotry is off putting to those who seek the same end game as you. [@5571,therighttothink50]
therighttothink50 · 56-60, M
[@1158,Jackjjacksonjr] You are a total fraud. You play your part not so well. Go kiss some liberal butt because that is what you do best. Go make nice with all the leftist fascist freaks, you are a total fraud and an actor playing your part not particularly well to those of us with discerning eyes. Now go back to your pseudo liberal masters and bow down to them like a good little marxist ideologue. You fit in quite well with that scumbag Holder. You are an actor and if by some chance you are not, you are totally devoid of soul.

https://truepundit.com/shock-video-eric-holder-brainwash-people-kids-anti-gun-curriculum-classrooms/
jackj · 56-60, M
SMH [@5571,therighttothink50]
Deadcutie · 16-17, F
It's all nice.. but now you gotta convince 30% of conservative sheep to vote out the politician's sucking the NRA's dick.. untill then it's all wishful thinking..

With 3D printing, bumpstocks can be made from home.. infact you can make your own Gunn.
50% of Americans have some form of ptsd. The other half has pms so mental evaluations are not going to happen, plus there arn't enough psychologists to even test everyone in a realistic time.. and we arn't even going into the problem in which diagnosing a disorder is subjective or the fact just because your not crazy Monday doesn't mean you are sane Friday.
jackj · 56-60, M
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Deadcutie · 16-17, F
[@1158,Jackjjacksonjr] its within the votors power but year after year not many put thier money where Thier mouth is and nothing changes
jackj · 56-60, M
SMH. It’s a travesty. [@526516,Deadcutie]
I have no confidence whatsoever in "background checks".

People engage in sociopathic behavior for years unchecked and people defend and enable their behavior.
[@1158,Jackjjacksonjr] Legit.
jackj · 56-60, M
More reporting required and actually reading background checks won’t hurt. [@482591,CopperCicada]
hlpflwthat · M
[@482591,CopperCicada] [@1158,Jackjjacksonjr] Background checks have more value than the occasional discovery, they also act as deterrent. The person who [i][b]thinks[/b][/i] "No way would they ever let me buy a gun" probably needn't be armed, when you think about it.
Tminus6453 · M
Those are all good but wont stop a mentally deranged person from shooting up a school if he really wants too
jackj · 56-60, M
Click on where it says it has been “truncated” some sort of administrative nonsense. [@523604,JudasGoat]
Pherick · 41-45, M
[@1158,Jackjjacksonjr] Is this because we don't have a federal law on the subject? I know here in PA, an unlicensed gun dealer, those are legal, can sell a gun to someone without a background check and without even asking for ID.

I am assuming this is because there is no overall federal laws?
jackj · 56-60, M
I am in PA as well and agree. [@376875,Pherick]
windinhishair · 61-69, M
I am in favor of all of the above. I think most Americans are, per polling results. Why on earth we can't enact at least some of this is mystifying.
Picklebobble2 · 56-60, M
Fiddle around all you want. The only people accommodating them will be the law abiding.

I love the idea that the phrase '[b]Background checks'[/b] is being mooted as the 'cure-all'.

I wouldn't mind betting that the majority of mass shooters have no 'clinical' mental health issues detectable by any amount of psychological testing.
I mean seriously. Can you imagine any qualified doctor wanting to put their name to [i]anything that legally declares anyone as 'sane enough to be left in charge of a weapon'[/i]
Total fantasy !
jackj · 56-60, M
Those ideas sound good to me. Why aren’t legislators voting on this stuff? [@448576,Picklebobble2]
Picklebobble2 · 56-60, M
[@1158,Jackjjacksonjr] From my side of the pond do you know what everybody here was thinking the day after that horrific event last week ?
[b]How is it there aren't parents stood outside every school in America this morning demonstrating ? Why can't you keep our children safe ?[/b]
jackj · 56-60, M
Excellent point! [@448576,Picklebobble2]
therighttothink50 · 56-60, M
https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2018/02/22/mass-shootings-and-psychiatric-drugs-the-connection/
nedkelly · M
The only part I disagree with is the age of 21 of being able to purchase a rifle - soldiers go to war at 18
nedkelly · M
[@523604,JudasGoat] In Australia we can drink legally at 18 - so why is American behind the times
jackj · 56-60, M
Then again they can operate deadly vehicles at 16 or 17. [@5946,nedkelly] [@523604,JudasGoat]
JudasGoat · M
[@5946,nedkelly] We used to be able to drink at 18 a while back. It's the nanny state. We can die for our country at 18, buy smokes, vote, but can't drink, and in some states, you can own a firearm like an AR15 but you cannot own a handgun. 😜
Welcome to the US
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jackj · 56-60, M
Other than quibbling with si e clarifications you really dint have an issue with that as a start? We don’t we all work on a start? With no start the status quo remains. [@607862,AnnieMal]
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jackj · 56-60, M
Total agreeemt re school security. [@607862,AnnieMal]

 
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