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girlscumfirst · 51-55, M
You are such an ignorant bastard. The land which is now occupied is the very land that was occupied by Palestinians before they were pushed out. Israel is occupying a country that does not belong to the israelies. Worse, they have established a concentration camp known as Gaza, the most densely occupied land in the world, which was recently bombed by israelies with phosphorous bombs, illegal weapons.
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girlscumfirst · 51-55, M
Your ignorance qualifies you for a green card.
PrairieBreeder · 41-45, F
and yours qualifies you for a late LATE term abortion, but we can't all get what we deserve.
Northwest · M
That's not really it. Some Palestinians, owned land/homes in is today Israel. They either left, during the 1948 war, or were kicked out in 1948.
The bottom line, the descendants of these folks, have legitimate claims to homes/land, but they cannot go back to claim it.
Quite a few of these places sit empty today, and in the case of a Tel Aviv Mediterranean suburb, it's like a ghost town. These houses are shuttered, but empty. You drive through it on your way to the harbor, and they use it as a backdrop for movies.
BTW, states are a modern invention, the ancient world did not have Israel or Palestine, at least not the way we define it today.
The bottom line, the descendants of these folks, have legitimate claims to homes/land, but they cannot go back to claim it.
Quite a few of these places sit empty today, and in the case of a Tel Aviv Mediterranean suburb, it's like a ghost town. These houses are shuttered, but empty. You drive through it on your way to the harbor, and they use it as a backdrop for movies.
BTW, states are a modern invention, the ancient world did not have Israel or Palestine, at least not the way we define it today.
quietlitany · 36-40, M
@Northwest Hamas is *DEEPLY* involved with Palestinian politics. Nice try.
No, you're claiming that states didn't exist until the contemporary era, but in fact they had. They shift, ebb, and flow as various empires rose an fell, there were indeed lands claimed by ethnic groups, hence the languages and more. Your semantics is hair-splitting. These states did exist in one shape or another, other than the modern mapped versions you're pointing out.
No, you're claiming that states didn't exist until the contemporary era, but in fact they had. They shift, ebb, and flow as various empires rose an fell, there were indeed lands claimed by ethnic groups, hence the languages and more. Your semantics is hair-splitting. These states did exist in one shape or another, other than the modern mapped versions you're pointing out.
Northwest · M
@quietlitany Hamas is at war with the Palestinian Authority. There have been multiple attempts to create a compromise, but they all failed. As it stands today, they still have no compromise. The Palestine Authority, has conducted joint operations with Mossad, to eliminate parts of the Hamas leadership, and during Israel's last incursion into Gaza, Hamas' first order of business, was to kill all the known PLO operatives within Gaza. This "proxy" war extends into Palestinian camps within Lebanon as well.
Modern states did not exist until the contemporary era, but you want to redefine history. What today is Turkey, used to be part of the Ottoman Empire, which included big chunks of Asia and Europe. Prior to that, big chunks of that land, was part of what was the Byzantine Empire, prior to that, parts of that land was part of what was the Roman Empire. Is today's Italy the same as the Roman Empire. They have the same Capital. Are the people the same?
Even at the Macro level, countries like Spain, for instance, are compromises, aka semantics.
Modern states did not exist until the contemporary era, but you want to redefine history. What today is Turkey, used to be part of the Ottoman Empire, which included big chunks of Asia and Europe. Prior to that, big chunks of that land, was part of what was the Byzantine Empire, prior to that, parts of that land was part of what was the Roman Empire. Is today's Italy the same as the Roman Empire. They have the same Capital. Are the people the same?
Even at the Macro level, countries like Spain, for instance, are compromises, aka semantics.
Picklebobble2 · 56-60, M
All my life the Israel/Palestinian land argument has never been clear cut.
Jewish history will tell you one thing. Palestinian, another !
No matter how many other nations get involved in trying to find a reasonable answer to this question, (and believe me, many have tried ! East/West/American/U.N. Possibly others too !) the end result is always the same !
Two sets of the most porcus-headed argumentative never satisfied always 'the victim' politically unstable warmongering (even if they always say 'we're being defensive' !)nations on earth !
All those lives lost throughout the history of mankind......
Senseless !
Jewish history will tell you one thing. Palestinian, another !
No matter how many other nations get involved in trying to find a reasonable answer to this question, (and believe me, many have tried ! East/West/American/U.N. Possibly others too !) the end result is always the same !
Two sets of the most porcus-headed argumentative never satisfied always 'the victim' politically unstable warmongering (even if they always say 'we're being defensive' !)nations on earth !
All those lives lost throughout the history of mankind......
Senseless !
thatscottishguy · 26-30, M
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@quietlitany The refusal to accept the partition is also a fact. And Hamas is a disaster...as is Bibi and the ultra-Orthodox (in my opinion)
quietlitany · 36-40, M
@SW-User I feel for the Palestinian people. I just can't get on Israel's back seeing what I seen in those regions.
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@quietlitany I feel for both sides and also have negative opinions about both sides.
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@Xuan12 In February 1947, Britain announced its intent to terminate the Mandate for Palestine, referring the matter of the future of Palestine to the United Nations. The hope was that a binational state would ensue, which meant an unpartitioned Palestine.
Xuan12 · 31-35, M
@SW-User Hasn't quite worked out.
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@Xuan12 That's an understatement!
quietlitany · 36-40, M
Because Israel was scattered and the land was taken by the Muslims. When the Brits held the land, they stuck Jews back in and modern Israel was founded. That space of time where Jerusalem was the land of the Jews is excluded in favor of the Palestinian Plight which is utilized by the Marxists and Post-Modernists as a cudgel to beat non-compliants with.
quietlitany · 36-40, M
@MethDozer Why did they leave?
MethDozer · M
@quietlitany It doesn't matter but it has a lot to do with the fact they were always nomadic tribes traditionally.
The modern area we call Israel was all built up and developed by Palestinians up until the 1950's. The occupying jewish population has profited and prospered on there doings and international welfare from the USA and small amount from it's allies.
It's funny you bring up some post-modernist marxist plot considering it exist and survives on a Marxist system of government funded by Marxist Welfare money from richer nations.
The modern area we call Israel was all built up and developed by Palestinians up until the 1950's. The occupying jewish population has profited and prospered on there doings and international welfare from the USA and small amount from it's allies.
It's funny you bring up some post-modernist marxist plot considering it exist and survives on a Marxist system of government funded by Marxist Welfare money from richer nations.
quietlitany · 36-40, M
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There are no "Palestinians" just Arabs in that area. Before Israel was a state even Jews who were there were referred to Palestinians.
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I have no clue, I think the Israelis and the Palestinians should unify.
Goralski · 56-60, M
D Jews are only visiting they'll b gone shortly
Wholly shit! You hit the land mine on a hot topic.
quietlitany · 36-40, M
@MethDozer Britain governed this area under a League of Nations mandate from 1920 to 1948.
We gave the natives land, because they had a claim to it. We didn't wipe them out after our war. The Jews have a claim, Brits gave it to them, albeit more than what we gave natives. The Muslims hate Jews, war ensured.
The comparison is used to show how gov't will bequeath things. The and was bequeathed to Jews by the Brits who had the land under a league of nations mandate. The Jews didn't steal shit. Its not so much my failure as it is your emotional overreaction to the topic.
Furthermore, you started this with comparing US to Natives. I was drawing an example from your point of view.
We gave the natives land, because they had a claim to it. We didn't wipe them out after our war. The Jews have a claim, Brits gave it to them, albeit more than what we gave natives. The Muslims hate Jews, war ensured.
The comparison is used to show how gov't will bequeath things. The and was bequeathed to Jews by the Brits who had the land under a league of nations mandate. The Jews didn't steal shit. Its not so much my failure as it is your emotional overreaction to the topic.
Furthermore, you started this with comparing US to Natives. I was drawing an example from your point of view.
MethDozer · M
@quietlitany Your example is shit though. Who the fuyck were the Brits to have any say?
You really need to learn your Native American and US history as well.
You really need to learn your Native American and US history as well.
quietlitany · 36-40, M
@MethDozer Well, then don't compare the US/Natives to the UK/Jews/Arabs then. The say of a powerful world class military, you know the thing that destroyed the Israeli Kingdom, established Rome, etc, that's who.
You want to talk about Jews or Natives? Cuz you're hopping back and forth.
You want to talk about Jews or Natives? Cuz you're hopping back and forth.