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Northwest · M
That's not really it. Some Palestinians, owned land/homes in is today Israel. They either left, during the 1948 war, or were kicked out in 1948.
The bottom line, the descendants of these folks, have legitimate claims to homes/land, but they cannot go back to claim it.
Quite a few of these places sit empty today, and in the case of a Tel Aviv Mediterranean suburb, it's like a ghost town. These houses are shuttered, but empty. You drive through it on your way to the harbor, and they use it as a backdrop for movies.
BTW, states are a modern invention, the ancient world did not have Israel or Palestine, at least not the way we define it today.
The bottom line, the descendants of these folks, have legitimate claims to homes/land, but they cannot go back to claim it.
Quite a few of these places sit empty today, and in the case of a Tel Aviv Mediterranean suburb, it's like a ghost town. These houses are shuttered, but empty. You drive through it on your way to the harbor, and they use it as a backdrop for movies.
BTW, states are a modern invention, the ancient world did not have Israel or Palestine, at least not the way we define it today.
quietlitany · 36-40, M
@Northwest I guess they should end the war.
You last sentence is semantics. People did indeed have define states or lands they laid claim too. They did have maps and basic cryptography. Hell a river could be a boundary.
You last sentence is semantics. People did indeed have define states or lands they laid claim too. They did have maps and basic cryptography. Hell a river could be a boundary.
Northwest · M
@quietlitany [quote]they [/quote]
Who are they?
[quote]People did indeed have define states or lands they laid claim too[/quote]
and how did that make them countries? The French occupied pars of Britain, but that did not turn Britain into France. Italy did not become a country until 1861. This is not about simply semantics.
Who are they?
[quote]People did indeed have define states or lands they laid claim too[/quote]
and how did that make them countries? The French occupied pars of Britain, but that did not turn Britain into France. Italy did not become a country until 1861. This is not about simply semantics.
quietlitany · 36-40, M
@Northwest The Palestinians, namely Hamas.
By force or treaty. Our history is riddled with it. You're using semantics.
By force or treaty. Our history is riddled with it. You're using semantics.
quietlitany · 36-40, M
@Northwest Hamas is *DEEPLY* involved with Palestinian politics. Nice try.
No, you're claiming that states didn't exist until the contemporary era, but in fact they had. They shift, ebb, and flow as various empires rose an fell, there were indeed lands claimed by ethnic groups, hence the languages and more. Your semantics is hair-splitting. These states did exist in one shape or another, other than the modern mapped versions you're pointing out.
No, you're claiming that states didn't exist until the contemporary era, but in fact they had. They shift, ebb, and flow as various empires rose an fell, there were indeed lands claimed by ethnic groups, hence the languages and more. Your semantics is hair-splitting. These states did exist in one shape or another, other than the modern mapped versions you're pointing out.
Northwest · M
@quietlitany Hamas is at war with the Palestinian Authority. There have been multiple attempts to create a compromise, but they all failed. As it stands today, they still have no compromise. The Palestine Authority, has conducted joint operations with Mossad, to eliminate parts of the Hamas leadership, and during Israel's last incursion into Gaza, Hamas' first order of business, was to kill all the known PLO operatives within Gaza. This "proxy" war extends into Palestinian camps within Lebanon as well.
Modern states did not exist until the contemporary era, but you want to redefine history. What today is Turkey, used to be part of the Ottoman Empire, which included big chunks of Asia and Europe. Prior to that, big chunks of that land, was part of what was the Byzantine Empire, prior to that, parts of that land was part of what was the Roman Empire. Is today's Italy the same as the Roman Empire. They have the same Capital. Are the people the same?
Even at the Macro level, countries like Spain, for instance, are compromises, aka semantics.
Modern states did not exist until the contemporary era, but you want to redefine history. What today is Turkey, used to be part of the Ottoman Empire, which included big chunks of Asia and Europe. Prior to that, big chunks of that land, was part of what was the Byzantine Empire, prior to that, parts of that land was part of what was the Roman Empire. Is today's Italy the same as the Roman Empire. They have the same Capital. Are the people the same?
Even at the Macro level, countries like Spain, for instance, are compromises, aka semantics.