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sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@ElwoodBlues Shortly thereafter, Trump tweeted that he was displeased not only by the way that "Gallagher's trial was handled by the Navy" but also because "large cost overruns from [the] past administration's contracting procedures were not addressed to my satisfaction."
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sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@ElwoodBlues Ah, the no off topic champion falls off his tricycle once again
ElwoodBlues · M
@sunsporter1649 asks
Here are a few:
George W. Bush, Jeb Bush, David Frum, Ross Douthat, William Kristol, Liz Cheney.
Oh, and let's not forget tRump's former cabinet members!
Richard Spencer, Secretary of the Navy
“The president has very little understanding of what it means to be in the military, to fight ethically or to be governed by a uniform set of rules and practices.” — Nov. 27, 2019
H.R. McMaster,White House national security adviser
“President Trump and other officials have repeatedly compromised our principles in pursuit of partisan advantage and personal gain.” — Jan. 7, 2021
James Mattis, Secretary of Defense
“Donald Trump is the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the American people — does not even pretend to try. Instead, he tries to divide us. We are witnessing the consequences of three years of this deliberate effort. We are witnessing the consequences of three years without mature leadership. We can unite without him, drawing on the strengths inherent in our civil society.” — June 3, 2020
Mark Esper, Secretary of Defense
“I have a lot of concerns about Donald Trump. I have said that he’s a threat to democracy. I think the last year, certainly the last few months of Donald Trump’s presidency, will look like the first few months of the next one if that were to occur.” — Oct. 1, 2023
Rex Tillerson, Secretary of State
“M0ron” — July 20, 2017
William Barr, Attorney general
“The fact of the matter is he is a consummate narcissist and he constantly engages in reckless conduct that puts his political followers at risk and the conservative and Republican agenda at risk. … He will always put his own interest and gratifying his own ego ahead of everything else, including the country’s interest. There’s no question about it. … He’s like a 9-year-old, a defiant 9-year-old kid, who’s always pushing the glass toward the edge of the table defying his parents to stop him from doing it.” — June 18, 2023
John Bolton, White House national security adviser
“By the time I left the White House, I was convinced he was not fit to be president. … I think it is a danger for the United States if he gets a second term.” — June 22, 2023
John Kelly, White House chief of staff from July 28, 2017, to Jan 2, 2019, and secretary of Homeland Security from Jan. 20, 2017, to July 31, 2017. He is a retired four-star Marine Corps general who was hired to bring order to the White House.
“What can I add that has not already been said? A person that thinks those who defend their country in uniform, or are shot down or seriously wounded in combat, or spend years being tortured as POWs are all ‘suckers’ because ‘there is nothing in it for them.’ A person that did not want to be seen in the presence of military amputees because ‘it doesn’t look good for me.’ A person who demonstrated open contempt for a Gold Star family – for all Gold Star families – on TV during the 2016 campaign, and rants that our most precious heroes who gave their lives in America’s defense are ‘losers’ and wouldn’t visit their graves in France."
"A person who is not truthful regarding his position on the protection of unborn life, on women, on minorities, on evangelical Christians, on Jews, on working men and women. A person that has no idea what America stands for and has no idea what America is all about. A person who cavalierly suggests that a selfless warrior who has served his country for 40 years in peacetime and war should lose his life for treason – in expectation that someone will take action. A person who admires autocrats and murderous dictators. A person that has nothing but contempt for our democratic institutions, our Constitution, and the rule of law."
“There is nothing more that can be said,” Kelly concluded. “God help us.” — Mon October 2, 2023
Name the "real conservatives".
Sure thing, boss!!!Here are a few:
George W. Bush, Jeb Bush, David Frum, Ross Douthat, William Kristol, Liz Cheney.
Oh, and let's not forget tRump's former cabinet members!
Richard Spencer, Secretary of the Navy
“The president has very little understanding of what it means to be in the military, to fight ethically or to be governed by a uniform set of rules and practices.” — Nov. 27, 2019
H.R. McMaster,White House national security adviser
“President Trump and other officials have repeatedly compromised our principles in pursuit of partisan advantage and personal gain.” — Jan. 7, 2021
James Mattis, Secretary of Defense
“Donald Trump is the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the American people — does not even pretend to try. Instead, he tries to divide us. We are witnessing the consequences of three years of this deliberate effort. We are witnessing the consequences of three years without mature leadership. We can unite without him, drawing on the strengths inherent in our civil society.” — June 3, 2020
Mark Esper, Secretary of Defense
“I have a lot of concerns about Donald Trump. I have said that he’s a threat to democracy. I think the last year, certainly the last few months of Donald Trump’s presidency, will look like the first few months of the next one if that were to occur.” — Oct. 1, 2023
Rex Tillerson, Secretary of State
“M0ron” — July 20, 2017
William Barr, Attorney general
“The fact of the matter is he is a consummate narcissist and he constantly engages in reckless conduct that puts his political followers at risk and the conservative and Republican agenda at risk. … He will always put his own interest and gratifying his own ego ahead of everything else, including the country’s interest. There’s no question about it. … He’s like a 9-year-old, a defiant 9-year-old kid, who’s always pushing the glass toward the edge of the table defying his parents to stop him from doing it.” — June 18, 2023
John Bolton, White House national security adviser
“By the time I left the White House, I was convinced he was not fit to be president. … I think it is a danger for the United States if he gets a second term.” — June 22, 2023
John Kelly, White House chief of staff from July 28, 2017, to Jan 2, 2019, and secretary of Homeland Security from Jan. 20, 2017, to July 31, 2017. He is a retired four-star Marine Corps general who was hired to bring order to the White House.
“What can I add that has not already been said? A person that thinks those who defend their country in uniform, or are shot down or seriously wounded in combat, or spend years being tortured as POWs are all ‘suckers’ because ‘there is nothing in it for them.’ A person that did not want to be seen in the presence of military amputees because ‘it doesn’t look good for me.’ A person who demonstrated open contempt for a Gold Star family – for all Gold Star families – on TV during the 2016 campaign, and rants that our most precious heroes who gave their lives in America’s defense are ‘losers’ and wouldn’t visit their graves in France."
"A person who is not truthful regarding his position on the protection of unborn life, on women, on minorities, on evangelical Christians, on Jews, on working men and women. A person that has no idea what America stands for and has no idea what America is all about. A person who cavalierly suggests that a selfless warrior who has served his country for 40 years in peacetime and war should lose his life for treason – in expectation that someone will take action. A person who admires autocrats and murderous dictators. A person that has nothing but contempt for our democratic institutions, our Constitution, and the rule of law."
“There is nothing more that can be said,” Kelly concluded. “God help us.” — Mon October 2, 2023
ElwoodBlues · M
@sunsporter1649 Yep, tRump fired Spencer because Spencer was more loyal to the Constitution than to tRump. SAD!!
In an interview with CBS news after being fired Monday evening, Spencer said Trump’s insistence on maintaining Gallagher’s rank as a Navy SEAL tells troops that they “can get away with it,” if they commit a crime. “We have to have good order and discipline, it’s the backbone of what we do,” he said.
... Spencer added be believes Trump doesn’t fully understand the definition of a war fighter. “A war fighter is a profession of arms,” Spencer told CBS’s David Martin outside the Pentagon. “And a profession of arms has standards.”
... Spencer added be believes Trump doesn’t fully understand the definition of a war fighter. “A war fighter is a profession of arms,” Spencer told CBS’s David Martin outside the Pentagon. “And a profession of arms has standards.”
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@ElwoodBlues Shortly thereafter, Trump tweeted that he was displeased not only by the way that "Gallagher's trial was handled by the Navy" but also because "large cost overruns from [the] past administration's contracting procedures were not addressed to my satisfaction.
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hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M
I know a lot of American conservatives hold Ronald Reagan up as a near demigod but as someone who was alive during Reagan's terms and as one who was very politically observant I always questioned that reverence. What exactly did Reagan do? I can say the Nixon opened trade with China whether that is good or not is still up for debate but what did Reagan do that lasted beyond his term? Free trade with Canada? Invade Grenada?
hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M
@sunsporter1649 If you think that was on Reagan I have some ocean front property in Northern Saskatchewan for sale. The Soviet Union was broke. The US could have had Jimmie Carter in office and it still would have happened. The next question is since the fall of the USSR what happened to the US? It isn't really pretty.
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@hippyjoe1955 Must have been a video game that I recall playing, something called Gorby and the Fall, or was it a video game on how to rewrite history?
hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M
@sunsporter1649 The fall of the USSR is a many faceted event. Reagan played a minor role. Gorbachev. Pope John Paul II Thatcher in Britain and of course the rot within the USSR itself.
Mamapolo2016 · F
I know that’s true, but since the conservatives hitched their wagon to Trump’s “star”, it doesn’t matter.
He is cruel, selfish, has no respect for anyone, he’s destructive and he’s dangerous. By extension, so are his supporters. We don’t see you, we see Trump, and if conservatives hope to maintain a political presence, the only way to do that is to separate from him entirely.
It may be starting to happen, but that also means he will escalate, because that’s the only motion he understands. The longer conservatives linger around Trump, the less chance of survival they have as an influence and the less we see them as even potential leaders.
Three more years of Trump, assuming our nation survives at all, will result in decades of utter contempt for those who backed him up.
He is cruel, selfish, has no respect for anyone, he’s destructive and he’s dangerous. By extension, so are his supporters. We don’t see you, we see Trump, and if conservatives hope to maintain a political presence, the only way to do that is to separate from him entirely.
It may be starting to happen, but that also means he will escalate, because that’s the only motion he understands. The longer conservatives linger around Trump, the less chance of survival they have as an influence and the less we see them as even potential leaders.
Three more years of Trump, assuming our nation survives at all, will result in decades of utter contempt for those who backed him up.
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
@Mamapolo2016 Exactly. Genuine conservatives have a duty to step back from the current culture wars, assess what really matters, and push back against Trump's systematic attack on institutions and social.values.
JimboSaturn · 56-60, M
JimboSaturn · 56-60, M