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Maine joins the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact

As everyone knows, the United States doesn't choose its president by popular vote, but by electoral votes based on the winner in each state. To win, a candidate needs 270 electoral votes. This is baked into the Constitution and switching to a popular vote would require an amendment.

However, the Constitution also allows each state to allocate its electoral votes any way it wishes. Originally, the state legislatures decided this, however, currently it's based on whichever candidate gets the most votes in the state. There is a proposal, called the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact, where states that sign on would award their electoral votes based on whichever candidate won the most votes nationwide, regardless of which candidate won in that particular state. This would prevent the situations in 2000 and 2016 where the loser of the popular vote won the election by having more electoral votes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Popular_Vote_Interstate_Compact

With Maine joining, the NPVIC currently has 209 electoral votes. It doesn't kick in until it hits 270, so at the moment it has no bearing on the upcoming election. Michigan, Arizona, Nevada, and Virginia have pending legislation to join the NPVIC; if they do, that will bring the total to 254 electoral votes. Needless to say, the NPVIC is favored by Democrats as they are more likely to benefit, since the last two elections where the winner lost the popular vote but was elected anyway were won by Republicans. So the most likely state that might adopt it and bring it over the top would be Pennsylvania, which could have a Democratic trifecta next year.

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/4596054-maine-joins-effort-to-elect-president-by-popular-vote-with-new-law/

One advantage of a national popular vote would be that every vote would count. Under the current system, a Democrat in a red state, or a Republican in a blue state, might as well not vote at all because their state's electoral votes will go to the other party based on the state's majority. There are only around half a dozen true swing states without a clear majority for either party. With a national popular vote, a Republican's vote in California, or a Democrat's vote in Wyoming, would be added to the national total and could actually have an effect. This would prevent bizarre results like the one in 2000 where around 500 voters in Florida decided the election.

One disadvantage would be that since every vote counts, candidates would have to campaign everywhere, making them even more expensive. With only a few swing states, they can concentrate on those and ignore the solid red or blue states. Living in Georgia, I expect to see a lot more campaigning this year than I would have if I were still living in California or Oregon. That wouldn't be the case with a national popular vote.
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lasergraph · 70-79, M
The main reason for the electoral college is to prevent a highly populated area from controlling the whole country.
Bumbles · 51-55, M
@lasergraph By making people in the Midwest lose weight? By getting rid of congress? One example of this control, please?
lasergraph · 70-79, M
@Bumbles Example: Hillary Clinton won the popular vote in 2016 but not across the nation. California was where the bulk of the popular votes for her came.
Bumbles · 51-55, M
@lasergraph I asked how a city would control rural areas. Please give me an example. LA would make Iowa give them corn for free?
lasergraph · 70-79, M
@Bumbles They could control the election outcome not the area. The answer you seek has been given.
@lasergraph Incorrect as with a national vote, it won’t matter where the votes come from. Under our current system, a small area can decide the election.
Bumbles · 51-55, M
@lasergraph That’s called voting! You just don’t want to lose.
lasergraph · 70-79, M
@LeopoldBloom A heavily populated area would control election in national vote. I didn't come to argue I expressed an opinion. Believe it or not I don't care life is too short.
Bumbles · 51-55, M
@lasergraph Well, we care because minority control is wrong in a democratic republic.
@lasergraph A heavily populated area would have no effect because its votes would simply be added to the total. You clearly don’t understand the concept. With a national vote, it wouldn’t matter where the votes came from.
Bumbles · 51-55, M
@LeopoldBloom And the politics of Congress do not easily lend themselves to some urban revenge scheme, which no one seems to be able to describe.
BlueVeins · 22-25
@lasergraph No part of America is highly populated enough to control the whole country. Even the most populous state in all of the country only has 11.8% of all residents.
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
@lasergraph So, what I'm hearing is you've got your conclusion, but you refuse to provide an explanation or factual data to back it up. Typical.
lasergraph · 70-79, M
@LordShadowfire In 2016 Clinton won the popular vote. They came from CA, NY and IL.

I have the PDF file from the feds showing actual numbers. Got to go to work. Talk later.
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
@lasergraph Translation. "I've totally got proof, but I can't show it to you, so here's a chart that doesn't actually prove anything."
Bumbles · 51-55, M
@lasergraph it’s hysterical. All you are doing is saying you’re against elections when you lose. “Look, if we went by the popular vote Hillary would have won!” What a brilliant insight.
Theyitis · 36-40, M
@lasergraph
The main reason for the electoral college is to prevent a highly populated area from controlling the whole country.

Then the main reason to decide the president by popular vote is to prevent a sparsely populated area from controlling the whole country.

Also, your graph makes it look like way more of the country voted Republican than Democratic; the trick is, land doesn’t vote, people do. Those large swaths of red land mostly have really low population density, so really fewer people overall voted Republican. You can say Democrats just focused on a few highly populated areas, but then you could just as well say Republicans focused mostly on sparsely populated areas.
@lasergraph Clinton’s votes also came from rural areas. If she’d only won CA and NY she would have lost by an even bigger margin in the EC.

I’m not sure why you can’t grasp that with a national popular vote, it wouldn’t matter where a voter was because all votes would be equal.
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jehova · 31-35, M
@lasergraph it was supposed to give fewer people in some states as much proportionate power as more people in other states. I say 1 person 1 vote.
IronHamster · 56-60, M
@jehova We are better off as a constitutional republic. Frankly, we had better governance before the Senate was elected by popular vote. The purpose of the Senate is to keep the federal government out of states rights issues. Today, the only place the 10th amendment applies is bankrupt states. States are like people. When they are broke they sell drugs to make ends meet.
BlueVeins · 22-25
@IronHamster State's rights has overwhelmingly been used as cover for taking away individual rights.
IronHamster · 56-60, M
@BlueVeins How so?
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
@lasergraph Hey, so how come you never got back to me with that evidence?
CorvusBlackthorne · 100+, M
@LordShadowfire I think we all know why...
jehova · 31-35, M