ViciDraco · 41-45, M
Do Republicans approve of misrepresenting facts and misleading people with half truths and fabrications?
Tax fraud is significantly larger on the end of wealthy individuals and corporations dodging them than it is in people fraudulently collecting benefits they shouldn't get.
I'm not willing to let ten families that need food assistance get cut off trying to stop one person using the food assistance to support their drug habit. Yes, I do want to stop that one person from abusing the system. But the problem isn't so bad as to sacrifice the people who need it. It's not about approving of fraud, it's about prioritizing what needs to be protected. And people facing starvation need more protection than someone making six or seven figures.
Maybe we wouldn't need to talk about raising taxes if the rich were not exploiting the worker class and were paying people according to the productive value they create. Taxation isn't theft and it never has been. It may be ineffectively applied, but it isn't theft.
Tax fraud is significantly larger on the end of wealthy individuals and corporations dodging them than it is in people fraudulently collecting benefits they shouldn't get.
I'm not willing to let ten families that need food assistance get cut off trying to stop one person using the food assistance to support their drug habit. Yes, I do want to stop that one person from abusing the system. But the problem isn't so bad as to sacrifice the people who need it. It's not about approving of fraud, it's about prioritizing what needs to be protected. And people facing starvation need more protection than someone making six or seven figures.
Maybe we wouldn't need to talk about raising taxes if the rich were not exploiting the worker class and were paying people according to the productive value they create. Taxation isn't theft and it never has been. It may be ineffectively applied, but it isn't theft.
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DogMan · 61-69, M
@ElwoodBlues So why didn't Obama stop it when he was inaugurated 3 months later?
Did he understand something? He had control of the house and senate, he could have done it.
Instead he gave trillions to the health care industries, and we ALL paid for that. He forced millions
of people to buy healthcare, and ALL of our costs went up. He promised they would go down, but
they went up.
Isn't that also a bailout of the healthcare industry? What would you say if Trump forced people
to buy a product, and your costs on that product went up.
Should we maybe get back to FRAUD? Should we allow fraud because you are mad at Republicans?
Did he understand something? He had control of the house and senate, he could have done it.
Instead he gave trillions to the health care industries, and we ALL paid for that. He forced millions
of people to buy healthcare, and ALL of our costs went up. He promised they would go down, but
they went up.
Isn't that also a bailout of the healthcare industry? What would you say if Trump forced people
to buy a product, and your costs on that product went up.
Should we maybe get back to FRAUD? Should we allow fraud because you are mad at Republicans?
ElwoodBlues · M
@DogMan Obama followed thru with Bush's TARP bailouts. If you want to know why, you'll have to ask him.
Obamacare was paid for by taxes, and 95% of us kept our insurance plans.
According to these folks although there was some churn in the non-group insurance category where 2.6 million lost their plans, most group plans met ACA standards, such that over 95% of the 200+ million insured DID keep our plans and doctors.
https://www.healthaffairs.org/do/10.1377/hblog20140303.037517/full/
Obamacare was paid for by taxes, and 95% of us kept our insurance plans.
According to these folks although there was some churn in the non-group insurance category where 2.6 million lost their plans, most group plans met ACA standards, such that over 95% of the 200+ million insured DID keep our plans and doctors.
https://www.healthaffairs.org/do/10.1377/hblog20140303.037517/full/
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DogMan · 61-69, M
So, Instead of commenting on fraud. Bunny Rabbit 420 posted these rules saying it proves Trump broke the law.
Here's your proof, but we all know how well Pedophile Don is at subverting and ignoring the Constitution!!!
Emoluments Clauses (Article I & II): Prohibit the president from receiving profits or, "emoluments" from foreign or state governments without Congress's consent.
Ethics in Government Act: While the president is generally exempt from some conflict-of-interest laws, experts argue that maintaining business holdings, particularly foreign deals, violates the spirit and letter of the Constitution.
Voluntary Precedent: Most modern presidents (e.g., Carter, Reagan, Bush) placed assets into a true blind trust managed by an independent trustee, separating themselves from management.
Proposed Legislation: The "[Presidential Conflicts of Interest Act]" has been proposed to officially require the President and Vice President to divest financial interests that pose a conflict, placing them in a true blind trust.
Proposed Consequences: Proposed legislation suggests that failure to divest could be interpreted as a violation of the Constitution's impeachment clause, acting as a "high crime or misdemeanor"
Here's your proof, but we all know how well Pedophile Don is at subverting and ignoring the Constitution!!!
Emoluments Clauses (Article I & II): Prohibit the president from receiving profits or, "emoluments" from foreign or state governments without Congress's consent.
Ethics in Government Act: While the president is generally exempt from some conflict-of-interest laws, experts argue that maintaining business holdings, particularly foreign deals, violates the spirit and letter of the Constitution.
Voluntary Precedent: Most modern presidents (e.g., Carter, Reagan, Bush) placed assets into a true blind trust managed by an independent trustee, separating themselves from management.
Proposed Legislation: The "[Presidential Conflicts of Interest Act]" has been proposed to officially require the President and Vice President to divest financial interests that pose a conflict, placing them in a true blind trust.
Proposed Consequences: Proposed legislation suggests that failure to divest could be interpreted as a violation of the Constitution's impeachment clause, acting as a "high crime or misdemeanor"
DogMan · 61-69, M
@ElwoodBlues Wow, two billion in one year!! Doesn't that make you at least a little suspicious???
Why would it make ANYONE suspicious? I will repeat my question to you.
Do you have access to Trumps financials? Have you spoke to his accountant? Billionaires
make lots of money, Billions. I know you hate rich people, but just because they make a lot of
money doesn't mean they did anything wrong. This thread is about FRAUD. Why don't you start
a thread about things you believe Trump did wrong?
Why would it make ANYONE suspicious? I will repeat my question to you.
Do you have access to Trumps financials? Have you spoke to his accountant? Billionaires
make lots of money, Billions. I know you hate rich people, but just because they make a lot of
money doesn't mean they did anything wrong. This thread is about FRAUD. Why don't you start
a thread about things you believe Trump did wrong?
ElwoodBlues · M
@DogMan Here's PART of why I'm suspicious of tRump's sudden profits.
(1) When tRump lost the 2020 election, he and his cronies arranged seven slates of false electors, many with false paperwork, to try and impersonate members of the electoral college who met in December and cast the actual electoral votes. Nothing close to that level of corruption has ever occurred in US politics. Nobody before ever tried to disenfranchise & hijack a whole state's vote; tRump tried to hijack SEVEN states worth of votes.
(2) In the summer of 2022 tRump removed many boxes of highly classified documents from the White House, stored them carelessly in Mar-a-Lago, signed papers denying he had possession of the documents, and then had them moved when government agents came looking for them. Witnesses, including Trump's personal aide Walt Nauta and Mar-a-Lago employee Brian Butler, told the FBI that Trump directed them to move boxes from a storage room to his private residence. The most obvious crime here is obstruction of justice, at least as bad as what Nixon did. A tRump friendly judge stalled the case and tRump had it killed in 2025.
(3) The official $TRUMP crypto coin was launched on the Solana blockchain on Jan 17 2025, three days before his inauguration. tRump himself started out with possession of 80% of all the $t coins (800 million out of 1 billion). The quantity of coin is fixed at 1 billion; the dollar value per coin varies. Trading volumes in $t are $100 million to $200 million per day. See for yourself, just click on "1 year" at
https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/official-trump/
Why would the most powerful man in the world launch a crypto coin that he controlled 80% of? The obvious inference is that it gives him an simple secret method to receive bribes. Bribes at the level of tens or hundreds of millions of dollars at a time. This is corruption on a mind-boggling Ferdinand Marcos scale. There has never been a comparable system for a president or leader of any first world country to secretly move money this way.
(1) When tRump lost the 2020 election, he and his cronies arranged seven slates of false electors, many with false paperwork, to try and impersonate members of the electoral college who met in December and cast the actual electoral votes. Nothing close to that level of corruption has ever occurred in US politics. Nobody before ever tried to disenfranchise & hijack a whole state's vote; tRump tried to hijack SEVEN states worth of votes.
(2) In the summer of 2022 tRump removed many boxes of highly classified documents from the White House, stored them carelessly in Mar-a-Lago, signed papers denying he had possession of the documents, and then had them moved when government agents came looking for them. Witnesses, including Trump's personal aide Walt Nauta and Mar-a-Lago employee Brian Butler, told the FBI that Trump directed them to move boxes from a storage room to his private residence. The most obvious crime here is obstruction of justice, at least as bad as what Nixon did. A tRump friendly judge stalled the case and tRump had it killed in 2025.
(3) The official $TRUMP crypto coin was launched on the Solana blockchain on Jan 17 2025, three days before his inauguration. tRump himself started out with possession of 80% of all the $t coins (800 million out of 1 billion). The quantity of coin is fixed at 1 billion; the dollar value per coin varies. Trading volumes in $t are $100 million to $200 million per day. See for yourself, just click on "1 year" at
https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/official-trump/
Why would the most powerful man in the world launch a crypto coin that he controlled 80% of? The obvious inference is that it gives him an simple secret method to receive bribes. Bribes at the level of tens or hundreds of millions of dollars at a time. This is corruption on a mind-boggling Ferdinand Marcos scale. There has never been a comparable system for a president or leader of any first world country to secretly move money this way.
DogMan · 61-69, M
@ElwoodBlues Well, if he did something wrong I'm sure there are enough people to convict him.
It sounds like you are saying he is on the same level as George Soros.
It sounds like you are saying he is on the same level as George Soros.
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Waveney · 41-45, M
@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout Evidence?
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Waveney · 41-45, M
Care to provide any evidence?
Waveney · 41-45, M
@sunsporter1649 Evidence?
DogMan · 61-69, M
@sunsporter1649 Controversy and Debate
The bill has sparked debate over free speech and press rights. Critics, including Assemblymember Carl DeMaio and independent journalists like Nick Shirley, argue that AB 2624 could be used to suppress investigative journalism and public scrutiny of organizations providing immigration services, dubbing it the “Stop Nick Shirley Act”. They express concern that the bill’s restrictions on posting personal information online could be applied broadly, potentially chilling citizen journalism and watchdog reporting.
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Democrats can't stand people exposing fraud, they must be stopped, so fraud can increase.
The bill has sparked debate over free speech and press rights. Critics, including Assemblymember Carl DeMaio and independent journalists like Nick Shirley, argue that AB 2624 could be used to suppress investigative journalism and public scrutiny of organizations providing immigration services, dubbing it the “Stop Nick Shirley Act”. They express concern that the bill’s restrictions on posting personal information online could be applied broadly, potentially chilling citizen journalism and watchdog reporting.
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DogMan · 61-69, M
The “Churn and Burn” Model: California has long battled a scheme known as “churn and burn,” where fraudsters obtain a hospice or nursing license, bill the government aggressively for non-existent or ineligible patients, and then shut down the company once an audit is threatened—only to open a new one under a different name at the same address.
Legislative History: In response to similar reports, California previously placed a moratorium on new hospice licenses to audit the explosion of providers in the state. Since 2010, the number of licensed hospices in L.A. County alone grew by over 1,500%, a rate far outpacing the aging population growth, signaling rampant license farming.
Federal Response: The crackdown on these “paperwork” empires is part of a broader initiative to reclaim the estimated $100 billion lost annually to Medicare and Medicaid fraud, with the Department of Justice increasingly targeting the “gatekeepers”—the doctors and administrative networks that authorize these fraudulent bills.
All they have to do is have an address for the check to be sent to them. This is why California has
Hospices and daycares in Burrito stands, Car washes, and gas stations.
Democrats hate the fact that this is being exposed, they just want to keep raising taxes to compensate
for it.
Legislative History: In response to similar reports, California previously placed a moratorium on new hospice licenses to audit the explosion of providers in the state. Since 2010, the number of licensed hospices in L.A. County alone grew by over 1,500%, a rate far outpacing the aging population growth, signaling rampant license farming.
Federal Response: The crackdown on these “paperwork” empires is part of a broader initiative to reclaim the estimated $100 billion lost annually to Medicare and Medicaid fraud, with the Department of Justice increasingly targeting the “gatekeepers”—the doctors and administrative networks that authorize these fraudulent bills.
All they have to do is have an address for the check to be sent to them. This is why California has
Hospices and daycares in Burrito stands, Car washes, and gas stations.
Democrats hate the fact that this is being exposed, they just want to keep raising taxes to compensate
for it.
DogMan · 61-69, M
@Waveney Waveney · 41-45, M
Lot of deflection among MAGA recently.
And still you have not commented on the fraud we are talking about. Have you researched it?
Have you watched the videos of the dozens of businesses working out of one little single motel room?
Do you think it looks a little shady? We are not taking about left or right. We do not know how
fraudsters vote. Why do you think we are attacking Democrats?
Lot of deflection among MAGA recently.
And still you have not commented on the fraud we are talking about. Have you researched it?
Have you watched the videos of the dozens of businesses working out of one little single motel room?
Do you think it looks a little shady? We are not taking about left or right. We do not know how
fraudsters vote. Why do you think we are attacking Democrats?
Strictmichael75 · 61-69, M
AbstractWave · 61-69, M
Shallow