@DogMan

@SumKindaMunster
The 14th Amendment guarantees rights to 'persons' in the US, not 'citizens', which guarantees them equal protection under the law as long as they are physically present in the US. Those protections include the 4th and 5th Amendments.


You speak of moral superiority, yet you're the one flaunting this us vs. them self-righteousness. I'm not -nor have I ever identified as - a Democrat. It's a box people with no ability to think critically put me into because they can't stand to have their propaganda challenged.


How many of them are snatching people up with their faces covered? Why should ICE be held to different standards than everyone else?

I know proof means absolutely nothing to you, but there's video evidence all over social media. And there are numerous testimonies of people speaking to reporters alleging the same thing happening to them. At some point, there's a grain of truth to all these accusations. Or maybe you still believe Bill Cosby is innocent.


Stuff like that is what happens when there is no accountability for the officers. A bill like this would help single out bad actors and hold them responsible

@TinyViolins
Point of clarity: The 14th Amendment guarantees equal protection under the law to all persons in the U.S., regardless of citizenship status. But that doesn’t mean everyone is exempt from legal consequences. Here's how it plays out:
- Being undocumented is a violation of immigration law—not criminal law in most cases, but a civil one.
- Equal protection means undocumented immigrants must be treated fairly and lawfully during enforcement—not that they’re immune from it.
- They still have rights: due process, legal representation (at their own expense), and protection from indefinite detention


I never called you a Democrat. My comment was based on your general responses that I have read over the last several years of you making such comments. I don't think I misrepresented your position here.


For the reasons discussed all over this thread. To protect them and their families from being doxxed or retaliated against for doing their jobs.


Proof means a lot to me. Hearsay on social media is not proof. However, I concede that there will certainly be mistakes made. People who shouldn't be arrested might be. Somebody could get hurt if they react violently.

Hm, they are held responsible and accountable by their superiors. You just may not know it. It's a government service with guidelines, rules, regulations and processes and consequences.

Is that really the issue or is it you just don't want ICE enforcing immigration laws in this country?

@markinkansas How exactly does just seeing their face verify them as ICE?

Completely baseless statement.

@TexChik exactly

If it’s evil, the left wants it.

@AthrillatheHunt Only those looking for every chance to fit that lib buzzword into every discussion.

Illegal immigrants being caught / deported by agents of the country they are in is law enforcement .. not fascism. Doesnt matter what those agents wear.

What it is in reality is excuse making .. taking the side of the criminals instead of the citizens of this country.

@AthrillatheHunt Exactly.

@MoveAlong Shame for what? Doing their job? There is NO shame in that.

@MoveAlong so you have a lot of shame

@Pinkstarburst It's a lot more about their family and home that it about them.

@Pinkstarburst Not sure he was a Republican. If that's your argument now then go with it. 🙄

@nudistsueaz It is clear we will disagree. I respect your opinion and hope you have a great afternoon. 🙂

@BrandNewMan 🎯

@SunshineGirl The mask intereferes with facial recognition software. No one is saying it will stop a bullet, Einstein.

@BrandNewMan Exactly, I'm surprised how many don't know that.

@MayorOfCrushtown Thats right, they are just trying to protect the illegal immigrants. Hell I still see people
wearing masks in the gym and disinfecting equipment before and after use.

But no one EVER cleans the handle on the front entry door. 🤣

@DogMan

I see the same thing at the gym as well. Clean the machine after use but not the front door handle.

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@carpediem Well said.

@kodiac

A fine selection, here's one I think his castrato/falsetto voice and questionable TDS mental state may also be a great fit

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