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Tariffs: A history.

As previously stated, there is an argument for tariffs under a few circumstances. To counter predatory pricing. Or to protect a strategic national industry. Economically, thats it..
Now lets talk about America. The T.Rex of global trade since WW2. It used its position as the only developed nation not to suffer industrial devastation to secure a beachead in every country in the west. It set the terms of trade by setting up a gold backed $ as the universal trade currency and mandated that only US banks could be used to transfer funds. Since then, if a nation is deemed to step out of line with American policy, it can be punished economically in terms of trade, including tariffs. And at each turn the rest of the world has remained docile, not wanting to get hit with the same big stick.
A few things have happened to hollow out the American mastery of trade. But far and away the biggest is the abandoning of the gold standard. (Note that the petrodollar deal that replaced it has recently expired) And the landscape of global trade has changed with the rise of China as an industrial giant.. But skipping ahead a couple of moves, enter Donald Trump. His first term saw a tariff war with China. And it seems he didnt learn a thing. (surprise surprise) But the rest of the world did. They smelled blood in the water as the $US is weakened by debt and printed currency and the rise of the BRICS trade block and its use of other currencies to trade within the group, bypassing US banks and the dollar entirely. This allows other nations to lower and sell off their dollar reserves, which they previously supported the US international debt with..
So this is the environment Biden was juggling in his term. And scraping by.. Enter Trump 2.0..
He decides that every deal the US ever did was unfair to the US. Even though the US has never signed a deal that was not inherently in its favor. And of course goes straight to tariffs, for any pretext at all. And this time the world saw him coming and recognised the emperor has no clothes and is pushing back with retaliatory tariffs, while leaving the US hanging and making other deals. Canada is opening deals with Europe for goods that America will now have to source elsewhere . And this story is repeated again and again. America was teetering on the edge of a recession anyway. Now that will be so much worse, with no cushioning for anyone.. And a depression that rivals the 1930s is increasingly likely.. And every move Trump is making on doubling down seems like it will only make things worse for America..
America got greedy . The world is calling its bluff and trump is holding rubbish.. The US economy was in dire straits before Trump ever showed up. But he has made it so much worse, faster than I believed possible..😷
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SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
The only justification for tariffs is to counter someone else's tariff 🤦‍♀

Tariffs protect the income and profits of a particular economic sector. But there is a price to pay and it is the ordinary consumer who always gets landed with the bill.

Instead of whingeing about how everything is so unfair, how about investing in the economy and making work a more attractive and visble proposition for unemployed Americans?
BigGuy2 · 31-35, M
@SunshineGirl oh really - Germany has slapped a 50% tariff on imported goods, conversely, American is 2-3% 🤷🏼‍♂🤷🏼‍♂🤷🏼‍♂
Gee professor .. thanks for sharing.

So ... it's ok for nearly every nation in the world to assess higher tariffs on the US than the US applies ... buuuut the worlds gonna end if the U.S. takes action to change it to be more balanced?

Sounds like the greed sits elsewhere and this is aimed at trying to keep the status quo.
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whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@BrandNewMan But I dont..😷
jehova · 31-35, M
Very true. Im growing some crops to cushion food price increases.
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@jehova A word of advice. Skip the peasant crops unless you have a lot of land. The little luxuries like a lemon or lime tree are more value to trade than potatoes or Carrots.😷
jehova · 31-35, M
@whowasthatmaskedman im in upstate ny. Luxury crops dont exist here; other than maybe cannabis.
Cannabis though is a thermogenic crop; it produces heat. Allowing me to survive winter even if i cannot afford\acquire wood or gas.
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@jehova Being optimistic ( in a negative way) I dont see civilisation imploding. Any more than it did in the Great Depression. But life in the big cities is going to get harder for those at the bottom. And there will be many more of them..😷
Quimliqer · 70-79, M
Great information for all that are unaware of the past and changes that have been made.
The tarrifs began under Biden, solar panels... Meh - but he's a Democrat, so like, uh huh.
Punishing the population is what you voted for. A moderate had no politics and just uses power for his own friends, a conservative is overly violent to society. You have the conservatives and the center right. Nobody else. You certainly win.
Convivial · 26-30, F
Let's not forget the smoot Hawley act in the 30s and how it prolonged the depression...
swirlie · F
What has me perplexed more than anything about Trump's tariffs, is the unequivocal lack of pushback on this issue from Americans themselves, considering it will be the American citizens who will pay the price of Trump's tariffs, not the rest of the world.
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@swirlie The lack of comprehension on these matters scares the hell out of me on behalf of Americans. I can seriously see this becoming a version of Gilead if something isnt done to stop it. And if it IS done, God help them all..😷
swirlie · F
@whowasthatmaskedman
As usual when it comes to Americans, their lack of knowledge is what screws them every time. When the average American hears Trump's rant about putting tariffs on Canadian imports or on any imports to the USA from Europe, the average American thinks this will be a good thing for the USA because of all the money they THINK their government will be harvesting for the good of America from those tariffs!

Living near the Canada/US border myself, I can tell you first hand that what I've just described is how Americans actually see this whole thing playing out in their favor if Trump starts to impose tariffs on imported goods to the USA. Americans think it will be Canada who pays that 25% tariff on Canadian goods entering the USA, not them!

Unfortunately, Americans have never been taught who it is that actually pays for those tariffs because if they had been taught, you'd start to see some pushback from Americans, which currently there is absolutely NONE of. There is none because Americans in general see Trump's tariffs as a 'good thing' for America.
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@swirlie While Americans lack of understanding certainly disables them intellectually (apologies to the intelligent, thinking Americans out there) it really is their certainty that they know better than others that will doom them. Because they just wont learn..😷

 
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