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Tariffs: A history.

As previously stated, there is an argument for tariffs under a few circumstances. To counter predatory pricing. Or to protect a strategic national industry. Economically, thats it..
Now lets talk about America. The T.Rex of global trade since WW2. It used its position as the only developed nation not to suffer industrial devastation to secure a beachead in every country in the west. It set the terms of trade by setting up a gold backed $ as the universal trade currency and mandated that only US banks could be used to transfer funds. Since then, if a nation is deemed to step out of line with American policy, it can be punished economically in terms of trade, including tariffs. And at each turn the rest of the world has remained docile, not wanting to get hit with the same big stick.
A few things have happened to hollow out the American mastery of trade. But far and away the biggest is the abandoning of the gold standard. (Note that the petrodollar deal that replaced it has recently expired) And the landscape of global trade has changed with the rise of China as an industrial giant.. But skipping ahead a couple of moves, enter Donald Trump. His first term saw a tariff war with China. And it seems he didnt learn a thing. (surprise surprise) But the rest of the world did. They smelled blood in the water as the $US is weakened by debt and printed currency and the rise of the BRICS trade block and its use of other currencies to trade within the group, bypassing US banks and the dollar entirely. This allows other nations to lower and sell off their dollar reserves, which they previously supported the US international debt with..
So this is the environment Biden was juggling in his term. And scraping by.. Enter Trump 2.0..
He decides that every deal the US ever did was unfair to the US. Even though the US has never signed a deal that was not inherently in its favor. And of course goes straight to tariffs, for any pretext at all. And this time the world saw him coming and recognised the emperor has no clothes and is pushing back with retaliatory tariffs, while leaving the US hanging and making other deals. Canada is opening deals with Europe for goods that America will now have to source elsewhere . And this story is repeated again and again. America was teetering on the edge of a recession anyway. Now that will be so much worse, with no cushioning for anyone.. And a depression that rivals the 1930s is increasingly likely.. And every move Trump is making on doubling down seems like it will only make things worse for America..
America got greedy . The world is calling its bluff and trump is holding rubbish.. The US economy was in dire straits before Trump ever showed up. But he has made it so much worse, faster than I believed possible..😷
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Gee professor .. thanks for sharing.

So ... it's ok for nearly every nation in the world to assess higher tariffs on the US than the US applies ... buuuut the worlds gonna end if the U.S. takes action to change it to be more balanced?

Sounds like the greed sits elsewhere and this is aimed at trying to keep the status quo.
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@BrandNewMan You might have a point, but for two things. Both of which I touched on. First America imports much more more than it imports in $ terms. So the cost to citizens (this is a tax on imports after all) is far more onerous than any damage done to overseas economies. This is even more so in that many raw materials and components come from Canada in the case of aluminium and steel or car and electronic components from China and so increase the cost to American manufacturersm who may be trying to export and are hit twice. The second point being that although Trump claims all the deals are unfair to America (in spite of having signed off on some and claimed them as wins) America has always make sure deals tilted the field in their favour, by specifying all disputes are settled on US soil in US terms and bullied smaller players.. So the Status quo favours America. And thats not going to happen any more. America will find it pays more for materials and goods, as other markets will be found at more favourable terms. Ask tyhe sopy bean farmers after the lost a years production and Australia supplied China. The market still has not normalized. America used to have a reputation as a reliable customer with a monopoly on thecurrency. Neither is the case any more.😷
@whowasthatmaskedman Much of the import imbalance is due to how much less we make here because mfg was off-shored to 2nd/3rd world countries w ~ slave labor costs and the higher barriers to what products we do still make being exported. I'd rather see things renegotiated than just layered reciprocal tariffs .. so hopefully this leads to that.
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@BrandNewMan Sorry. You are missing the point. You not only have to correct the imbalance 9Something no administration has even seriously attempted. You have to export $36 Trillion worth of goods and services MORE than you import, to pay back for stuff you already bought and used. The ship has sailed and sunk already😷
@whowasthatmaskedman Right. Not so convinced as you are that you know everything ... rather die trying to change it than just go mildly to slaughter
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@BrandNewMan I dont suggest either, because any progress you make will be soaked up by Trump, Musk and the other Ultra rich. Because they own the theme park. I suggest you take those you care about and get out of dodge if you can. Or make yourself indispensable to them..😷
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ArtieKat · M
@BrandNewMan I think you're the one who's credulous that Trump's economic policies are going to benefit the average US citizen. Watch this space - the (hard-working) poor will get poorer.
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whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@BrandNewMan But I dont..😷