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High potency cannabis linked to higher rates of psychosis

[b]https://neurosciencenews.com/psychosis-thc-10921/[/b]
DeluxedEdition · 26-30, F Best Comment
and schizophrenia
DeluxedEdition · 26-30, F
@Graylight [quote]A doctor is not a God and far more fallible.[/quote] but you clearly are right😹?
Graylight · 51-55, F
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
@Graylight About that dunning-kruger meme, that's projection. How would you know you're not in that club?

I don't fully believe everything as a general rule but I think if a doctor who also sees patients for first time psychosis and got money to study the effects of pot that has on people should be studied if pot is going to be widely legalized elsewhere.

She even got an award for it so that tells me something is concerning them enough to study it.

Graylight · 51-55, F
[quote][b]Is there sufficient evidence that cannabis use is a risk factor for psychosis?[/b]
Marco Colizzi, Sagnik Bhattacharyya

Risk Factors for Psychosis, 305-331, 2020

Accumulating evidence suggests an association between cannabis use and psychosis. However, some concerns have been raised about the nature of this association, particularly whether it might be driven by other factors such as use of other substances. Another explanation would bring into play preexisting differences among cannabis users and nonusers in terms of psychosis-related symptomatology that would make cannabis users more prone to develop psychosis. Moreover, it has been argued that people with psychosis may use cannabis …[/quote]
You could counter me with a study and then I counter you with another one. The point is, until cannabis' schedule 1 classification is removed, it can't be sufficiently studied to come to a solid conclusion.
Graylight · 51-55, F
@SatanBurger Right. And I can point you to studies linking higher doses to psychosis [i]if the use already has a predisposition to psychosis.[/i]

The point here isn't to pick apart studies. The point I was making is that almost all research is lacking because keeping cannabis as a Shcedule 1 drug precludes any widespread research. If we can study its benefits and weight them against the dangers, we might find out anything. Until then, it's a handful of random studies in a forest of research.
spjennifer · 56-60, T
@Graylight This has been going on for decades, agreed, until Cannabis is removed from the "Schedule 1" drugs there won't be any consistent research done. All too often the research done has been biased to show the "detrimental" affects of cannabis use. It has long been postulated amongst conspiracy theorists that Cannabis and hemp were criminalized to favour the Dupont family's production of nylon for ropes and by the Hearst family to protect newsprint, there is no evidence to support those claims though...
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
@Graylight This study wasn't even in America and was already taken where pot has been legalized for quite awhile, so there's that. What's more is that a lot of people who had their first episode of psychosis were using higher potency strains of cannabis. Again, read the study, this is all in there.
SW-User
All depends on how it’s grown. If grown naturally with organic soil and organic fertilisers and patience. But you get the money hungry weed growers and sellers putting plant growth regulators in the soil and it produces more buds but no natural THC or CBD tricrombes and all you’re getting Gogh off is the chemicals in the plant growth regulators and those are the chemicals causing mental disorders.
SW-User
@SatanBurger I’m always careful with pot I buy because it’s only black market available in AU unless you live in Canberra. Before I buy I always look close up and look for signs that tell the difference between legit THC or grown with filth. Easy to tell by taking a flash photo of the bud and you can see all the tricrombes shine, if the brown hairs are loose and have only few shines and just dust looking particles in the bud then I know it’s no good.
SW-User
@SatanBurger I also forgot to ask, even with natural THC cannabis, I read it can cause a lot more problems in a developing brain (under the age of 22 in a female and under 25 in a male and yes our brains develop slower lol) like it’s not as bad if you didn’t start smoking until your at those ages or older when the brain is fully developed.
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
@SW-User Yeah but that's not what legalized pot does, I'm sure the reality is that they can sell to people either above the age of 18 to 21 in which brains are still developing. That probably has something to do with it for sure.
SW-User
There are many medications that can trigger those who are predisposed to psychotic breaks. Indicas, and Indica-dominant hybrid strains are better for those that can have a negative response to high THC and low CBD, especially those of the Afghani lineage. Also, certain terpenes can have an influence on balancing factors.
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
@SW-User Well I think THC is beneficial and so is most psychedelics but I also posted this because I didn't know that higher levels can cause psychosis. I guess it's common sense though when you think about it, I'm just surprised.
SW-User
@SatanBurger It is surprising to realize. Back in the day, levels weren't so high because almost everyone was smoking regs.
pattycakechamp · 26-30, F
This isn't really new, it's just the people more likely to get full blown psychosis were pre-dispositioned.

Edit: wtf spellcheck
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
@pattycakechamp Well they said that higher levels of THC would cause it rather than lower levels or something. But I wouldn't doubt some people are already pre-disposed to it too.
pattycakechamp · 26-30, F
@SatanBurger Also, technically anything that alters the mind, even temporarily carries some risk. It's just usually low.
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
@pattycakechamp Well they actually found that psychosis at higher levels was actually more common, not low at all. So.. there's that.
basilfawlty89 · 31-35, M
Well yeah, it's true that it does, but unless I'm mistaken that really applies only to people predisposed to psychosis. For example someone with undiagnosed schizophrenia. We need to be sure we're not mixing up correlation with causation.

That said, from my own experiences as someone with OCD, I know that too much THC gives me anxiety and paranoia. Whereas lower THC actually relieves anxiety. That's cause THC has a biphasic effect.
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
@basilfawlty89 You should really look into the link, it's there to make up your own mind about it and gives more information than I would. I try not to copy and paste from scientific studies, as I'd rather have people read it for their own conclusions.

But to answer your question, from my opinion, how do you know that they weren't diagnosed or went into therapy but the therapist or agency didn't correlate it to higher doses because someone didn't think it could have a correlation? Like this is a newish study of its kind so it's obvious health professionals wouldn't ask these questions. It just may not have occurred to people before.

That and people lie.. patients can lie to health professionals and vice versa so that's a lot of speculation about people I don't know.

So in my opinion, when someone like you comes along, it's not like I don't consider what you say, I just don't do "what ifs." Particularly about people I don't have any further information on other than that the fact that they do "hash" or "moon rocks" whatever that is. There's no information on their backgrounds for me to make an opinion on but there is a lot of info to glean from this study about people that I can make an informed opinion about because I can see the variables...

About 900 to be exact.

I just take the information present and change it if it changes. Right now, if higher doses are leading to psychosis then studying this more could save a lot of lives as the pot industry gets more and more legalized. We need more information.
Graylight · 51-55, F
@SatanBurger Did they control the grade and quality of cannabis? Did they categorize by age, because there's an important distinction between the forming and the developed brain. Men and women? Did they control for other medications being used? Past mental health? Current physical health? Environmental factors? Did they develop and administer the research as a qualitative study or is this anecdotal self-report conclusion?

Just because one study is diluted down to a one-line conclusion for the masses doesn't make it truth. Typically, it's a case of a little knowledge being a devastating thing.
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
@Graylight Read the link to understand their methods to gather your own opinion.

[quote]Just because one study is diluted down to a one-line conclusion for the masses doesn't make it truth.[/quote]

Just because you don't like the conclusion doesn't prove it false. This wasn't just one study, it was done in several areas where pot was already legalized in other countries and have been for some time. Again, read the article.
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SatanBurger · 36-40, F
@FreeSpirit1 It was humorous, but you thought this was an anti pot post and would troll. I'm just calling it out that's all. I'll leave it up though because it's funny.
FreeSpirit1 · 51-55, F
@SatanBurger I deleted it, sorry.
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
@FreeSpirit1 You should re-post it but no sense now.
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SatanBurger · 36-40, F
@PhaqueYou Did you really just comment and block me. Holy shit people are so fvcking dumb. I'm not against pot, in fact psychedelics have been known to treat PTSD at lower levels alongside meditation but it is doing people disservice not to know the risks of higher levels.

How do you people not forget how to breathe? I'm glad I don't block ever. People may hate me for the fact I delete their off topic or insulting comments but I'm glad I'm not like you that can't handle anything in life.
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout Well shit people block over the dumbest stuff, I once got blocked because I shared a video of a cat enjoying the groomers for crying out loud. What is with these people.

 
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