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The woman at the bakery with the confederate flag in a heart tattoo on her wrist.

She saw me looking at it and told me when she was a teen in the 90s she got into line dancing nights in her village hall. She had lots of fun nights and met a guy who she was married to for a time. “Now Americans have decided it’s racist. It’s a bit awkward”

I didn’t know what to say, so I asked if she was going to keep it. She shrugged and said it just reminded her of dancing with her friends. So I smiled, paid for my sausage roll and bag of crisps and left.

I suppose if we live long enough someone will tell us that something from our past is not okay anymore, and we have to make own decisions what to do about it. Based on her reasons I respect hers.
ronnie · 56-60, M
There are many things in our past of which we should now be ashamed. Where I live, the area was involved substnatially in the slave trade. Many of the street names in major Scottish cities reflect those businessmen who owned tobacco, sugar and other plantations and exploited the people in those areas.

I am now very embarrassed by some of the names in places such as Glasgow and dearly wish that they would rename them with a principle new name with their original name displayed below in much smaller signage.

I also believe that the statues that adorn many of our cities should carry an explanation of the part the slave owners played and depict a 'slave' in an adjoining statue.

Instead all we do is talk about doing something while right wing football thugs worship the statues and protect them when ever there is talk of making changes.
ronnie · 56-60, M
@wildbill83 That is a typcial far right response. How many statues of Nazis do you see in your country? None in mine. None of any of the British fascists either.

You know exactly what I mean and I do not need to justify it to someone who uses such a ridiculous, extreme example.
wildbill83 · 36-40, M
@ronnie yes, I know exactly what you mean; you want to rewrite history, and embrace woke nonsense, guaranteeing that history repeats itself...
ronnie · 56-60, M
@wildbill83 If I am woke, then I'm proud of that. Oh no, I never want us to forget and I enjoy response like this to let everyone see and fear the continuing rise of those extremists who not only embrace the worst that history can teach us, but to return to those mistakes. Free speech is a great thing, but freedom to challenge extremists before they endanger us, ethnic groups and nations is an even greater one.

History is for teaching us what went wrong. Statues are for celbrating the wrong doers and only those who support those cretins, tolerate them without challenge. Read my original post if you do not understand my meaning.

However, your response and attitude do give me further thought on this matter. I was unsure about whether the statues, symbols etc should be removed or some alternative placed to contextualise these. When those like you express the sentiments that you have and defend these symbols, is it clear that the extremists see them as more than a peace of history. It is much more than that to some. So perhaps, the objects do need to be removed.

Thanks for moving me along towrds a clearer opinion on this,
Its a fact that the history of the world is filled with stories of things that happened unfairly, and stories of how people loved, and lost. But the world is also filled with stories of courage, resilience, and hope, and stories that inspire and encourage other people as well. While it is true that these things have happened and we cannot bring back the dead, it is believed that these are the last days, there are telltale signs and if we are strong enough, and walk the narrow path, we will make it to the new earth, which is promised.

And it is also said, that on this new earth, death will be no more... So I have decided to walk the narrow path, to seek the truth, and even on the happy days, be mindful of my choices so that I will be like an ant who gathers during the summer, and is happy during the winter. Things happen to me too, and I often wonder why, but the reward for this patience is Hope which 'is a thing' for those who seek the truth, and work heartily for their higher purpose, even when the sky is clear, and there seems no reason to worry.
wildbill83 · 36-40, M
Southerners whenever someone says that the confederate flag is "racist"...
deadgerbil · 22-25
Yeah it's one of those things where it's not entirely black and white

Like, it's the flag that represented various states who, in their own constitutions, explicitly said they were fighting for slavery, but it's safe to say that level of historical insight wasn't present when she got that tattoo, so I can't really say it's nefarious etc
llswag · 18-21, F
The war of northern aggression
TrashCat · M
@llswag Flag of losers
Carazaa · F
It sends a bad message though.
Morvoren · F
@Carazaa You have been talking all this time and call the lady in the bakery recuse but never once been able to say why.

It’s just name calling.
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Morvoren · F
@Carazaa Up yours.
Auggie · M
Americans are aholez
Confederate flag is racist to some, but for others it's just a fun Southern Lifestyle and has absolutely nothing to do race.
Seems fair. It’s not a clear cut thing even though some folk wish it was.
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
Thats the thing about Tattoos. So many options for regret...😷
InstructHer · 56-60, M
It would be worse of she were living in the US.
DDonde · 31-35, M
If she's not from the US she never should've gotten it in the first place. Like people getting trashy Chinese character tattoos.
I wouldn't judge her for it with that explanation though cause I doubt she meant the worst by it because she's not American and maybe didn't understand the whole history behind it.
Morvoren · F
@Slade But you have got it so you can kill. Murder is murder.
Slade · 56-60, M
@Morvoren not until it's committed so you lose. If having a gun is equivalent to murder we'd have 400 million murders every year here

You lose
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HannahSky · F
A lot of people have used it just to say they're proud of being from the south. They're not supporting the actual confederacy.
Was your old user name on the here Balmanight or something like that
Morvoren · F
@TurtleEclipseOfTheHeart No it wasn’t. I was Unlucid Lucy before this name.
uncalled4 · 56-60, M
Ultimately, I judge someone by their actions. Something like that might raise my eyebrows a bit, but people also can change over time.

 
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