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Ever Noticed

That we never say to single men, "you have to love yourself first before you can find someone to love you?" Only women are told this. It's also BS. Plenty of low self esteem types have partners and spouses. Look around. Look at the people you know or have known throughout your life. Some are super confident and others are not. Some fall anywhere between the two, but regardless where they fall on the confidence spectrum, some have found partners, and others have not. It's a roll of the dice. That's all it is, and you certainly don't have to love yourself. What does that even mean?
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Windsylph · F
I've read through the responses so far and want to thank you for posting this because you made me stop and examine a few things.

What kept coming to me was the question, "do you (I) admire the relationships people with low self-esteem have?" And my answer was that I don't, for the most part. Those relationships are often codependent and based on fragile egos, which almost always leads to poor communication, power struggles and more.

So, what do I want in a relationship? (I asked myself) And the answer kept coming back, "I want the guy who treats me as well as I treat him."

For me, this means I do have to love myself well and good, to have the relationship I want, and demonstrate confidently and kindly through my words and actions how I like/desire to be treated.

It sounds a little cookie-cutter, I know, and I don't believe life is at all "cookie-cutter neat." But I do believe (as the law of physics proves) the higher the vibration, the more positive the attraction.

Soft breezes to you, my friend.
Carissimi · F
@Windsylph: I like your response, but I honestly believe that all you need is self respect, and knowing your own values, and what you will tolerate, and where you draw the line. I could spend the next 30-years trying to love myself (whatever that means), and not reach it, but right now I do respect myself, know my values, and what I won't tolerate. That's good enough in my book, but even people who do have a sense of self, won't necessarily find a compatible partner.
If you can get 80%, and the 20% lacking is not a deal breaker, then that's much better than most people have, I think.
SimplyTracie · 26-30, F
There is some truth to that. It's similar to, you must love yourself before you can love others. A little truth to that too.

I think it's other people's kindness that brings out the best in me. It might be just me though.
SimplyTracie · 26-30, F
@Lazarus: Hmmmm 🤔
Carissimi · F
@SimplyTracie: Kindness does that for me too. It's like the chicken and the egg. A loving person builds you up, and you bloom in that love. Without it, you can wither and fold in on yourself. You survive, but you grow a hard exterior too so that you can survive alone.
SimplyTracie · 26-30, F
@Carissimi: Yesss, I think that is very true. And it pays it forward a lot of times I'm sure.
Iwillsurvive · 26-30, F
Your thoughts are really interesting.
Idk how others think exactly

They can do what they want to do but if someone would ask me for an advice then i would say: love yourself firstly
Doesn't matter if male or female.

I want to be strong and i want to love myself and then fall in love. If i fall in love before i love myself i could be emotionally dependent on that person. And this happened to me before. I don't want to make the same mistake two times.
That is it.. But everyone is different
Iwillsurvive · 26-30, F
@Carissimi: i know what you mean.
Is this because you want to protect yourself for bad feelings?
Carissimi · F
@Patricia12: I don't know what you mean by "want to protect yourself for bad feelings." Need clarification.
Iwillsurvive · 26-30, F
@Carissimi: you said you stay reserved and distant. do you do this because of bad experience or is this your nature?
SmartKat · 61-69, F
Yes! This!

I agree 100%.

I am so sick and tired of being told that it's all my fault.

I love myself enough to think I deserve better than to be all alone for the rest of my life, or else having to settle for someone I wouldn't have picked if it was up to me.

I love myself enough to know that there are a lot of good things about me; and that I could be a wonderful partner; and that some man might be lucky to have me.

F--- the people who say, "You have to love yourself first." They have no clue what my feelings about myself are. I love myself. Now it's time for somebody I could love, to love me back.
Carissimi · F
@SmartKat: I'm right there with you, Kat, and totally agree.
whoowho · 41-45, F
Low self esteem types are typically codependent and they find abusers to love them. I don't think that is good.
SW-User
@whoowho: great answer, I couldn't quite come up with the words, well stated!
Carissimi · F
@whoowho: I agree that can be the case, but not all low self esteem types are single, just like not all high self esteem types are in a relationship, even though they want one.
Magenta · F
Spot on. I abhor that old cliche.

I get the meaning behind it...

But, the love we have for others, especially romantic love, is a totally different kind than we have or would have for ourselves. Maybe it's self respect we need first.
Carissimi · F
@Magenta: That's it, self respect, and a sense of one's own self. Knowing your values and sticking to them. I think that's sufficient.
Magenta · F
Indeed. 💖
electropura · 36-40, M
I'm male and I've been told it on a few occasions.
Carissimi · F
@electropura: I've never heard that before, but I guess there are always exceptions.
rupert · 41-45, M
@electropura: me too
If you have looks or money or power you can get a date regardless of self confidence level.
If you have looks money or power you can get an actual partner regardless of self confidence level.
Carissimi · F
@YourMomsSWcrush: No, you can't. I was on my own for years, and was very good looking, and received a lot of male attention, but it took years to find a partner that was compatible (well as it turned out we weren't compatible, but that's another story). Just because men may desire you, doesn't mean you desire them or that they want a relationship.
Okay
NigelDoes · 56-60, M
I don't agree with your initial statement.
Carissimi · F
@NigelDoes: Okay.
5thApprentice · 31-35, M
True that. Lolol
berangere · 80-89, F
They have found partners,but are they happy with those partners? I know for a fact that my ex who was a narcissist and I was so happy to flee from has now a wife he micro manages,just like a woman would be controlled in the midle east.I much rather be alone and be my own woman.
MartinTheFirst · 26-30, M
Ive seen a lot of guys being told that.
Carissimi · F
@MartinTheFirst: I'm surprised. I never have.
SW-User
Yes yes yes but what else ?

 
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